Interesting Day Finding Ammunition....

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  1. watcherchris

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    Hmmmmm....interesting lessons learned today in going about town to find certain ammunitions for a class to which I have registered at our local gun club.

    The requirements for the gun safety course is classroom for most of the two days and then some range time.

    We are required to bring 50 rounds of factory loaded ammunition.

    I have chosen to bring my revolver ..a .357 Magnum...six shot Ruger GP100.



    I had hoped to find a box of 50 count .38 Special ammunition but after going to four places I finally found a box of 50 rounds of .357 Magnum.

    It was expensive at $44.00 for a box of 50. Ammunition's here in America is indeed in short supply.

    I will however.... in using a revolver...be easily able to secure all my spent rounds for reloading...and will also be able to reload these spent cases numerous times....unlike a semi automatic firearm wherein you have to chase your expended cases all over the range.

    This is one of the reasons I like revolvers...I don't have to chase my spent brass all over the range...


    The irony is that I reload .38 Special and .357 Magnum ammunition both and have plenty..but the course will not allow us to use reloaded Ammunition.

    LOL LOL LOL....Go figure..

    Most likely it is insurance requirements/liabilities surrounding these courses.

    I have .38 Special and also 357 Magnum cases aplenty put back for future use as well as plenty of reloads already manufactured in that calibration...but it is a bit of an irony to me about the course requirements.

    But ...I will work with it...

    The stories I have heard on these sites are true and places which sold guns and had ammunition would mostly sell the ammo with a gun purchase..


    And now you know the rest of the story...


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  2. watcherchris

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    I'll give a further post on how things went in the coming class to which I will be attending..

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  3. Old Geezer

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    Used some guvment stimulus money today. Traveled to a gun show. Bought some "reasonably" priced ammo. The only reasonably priced ammo is non-standard caliber/ga. ammunition. Decades back, I knew that one day popular ammunition would go too expensive to purchase. Today, ammo in 20 ga. and 7.62x54R was still reasonable. Got 20 ga 3" mag loaded with #1 buckshot was $15 for box of 10 shells (Italian ammo). The 20 ga is .60 caliber; the slugs make a .44 mag. look sissy -- especially at over 1600 ft/sec. The #1 buck is spec.ed @ 1300 ft sec. = death and mayhem.

    Popular ammunition calibers, I put back decades ago. So, now have plenty with which to go range-blasting / staying in practice. Need to get back to the pool halls also.

    Got some subsonic .22 LR for a semi-reasonable price. Sending ammo to kith and kin. It don't take no high velocity .22 ammo to drop squirrels and rabbits. Sh##!, .22 short out pump rifles has killed innumerable rabbits. My dad had locations in country stores and I'd see poor boys, POOR boys, come in to buy 5 rnds of .22 shorts standard velocity. For a poor family, any meat is meat, B12 = keep a family alive another month. My dad liked it when as the house, he got hit. He was tickled pink one time when a man won a bag of groceries at our expense off one of our machines.

    Rimfire twenty-twos will put food on the table. Annie Oakley fed her family and propped-up her mom's farm mortgage with pelts. Her daddy abandoned her, her siblings, and her mom. Thus, she became an expert shot. Both my grandfathers were experts with their firearms due to poverty.

    My paternal Pap would take the heads off rabbits with his .32 Long S&W revoler. Side note; today I saw a pepperbox in .32 rimfire. These .32s would put food on the table.

    These .32s allowed ladies of the evening to give religion to perverts. I bet the pepper box I saw today served its purpose back in the day. Pervs had a tendency to develop lead poisoning. This, to protect women and children.

    I think we had a pervert in our neighborhood that targeted a boy who didn't have a father. Thinking back on this, maybe I should have told my dad about that perv, maybe should have informed an uncle about the perv. The perv would have disappeared. Good thing that would have been. I was young and didn't understand the depth of their danger to society. The boy I knew was god-awful poor, lived on a landowner's property, sharecropping I guess. He was a year older than me, tall, and so I guess I thought he could take care of himself. Hope he did. Hoped he'd a'stabbed that man. Had he'd a'asked me, I'd'a given him a knife -- I collected knives from the first grade on. Have two of those >50yr.old folding knives in my desk drawer right now; another in my dad's tool box sitting beside me. Pocket knives and cigarette lighters, the joys of childhood. Lest I forget, silver coins out the 1960s gambling machines. Memories.

    Anybody else receiving guv money, think to use it for free speech -- which is to say, go buy a gun and ammunition. There's no free speech, there's no right to vote, without guns being in the hands of the people. There are only two forms of government on Earth -- ones wherein the people fear the government and ones wherein the government fears the people. If you do not believe this to be true, you are far too naive with which to reason. You are still an adolescent. Being nice will get you raped to death.
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  4. Morgan101

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    I found a store not to far from me that had an ample supply of ammunition if you wanted to pay for it. I don't need it badly enough to pay a $1.00 a round for 9 mm. 45 ACP was over $1.00 a round. I will wait it out, and see if prices come back to earth.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    Yep, me too.

    This is why we stocked-up back when. Preppers foresee these things. Preppers do not trust. Preppers know history's lessons, unpleasant lessons.

    We bought us a little rice-rocket 4-cyl car this year. It still has a warranty on it. My SUV that I like is a gas-guzzler, so when this socialist administration came in, we decided for me to use a 4-cyl for commutes and any long-distance gotta-be-theres. I have no storage tanks for gas so I'll conserve until a heavier machine is needed. Post-SHTF, we will all be stealing gas out of vehicles abandoned by their not-going-to-survive owners. Better we get it than any bands of criminals. Military will bring their own.

    Ammo is another realm in which we ants get to laugh at the grasshoppers.
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  6. watcherchris

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    Yeah...me too..

    I am mostly concerned about reloading supplies..but they too have gone up significantly in price....as well as become scarce.

    Watcherchris
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  7. Old Geezer

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    Yep and apparently, primers are the item most in short supply.

    I've never been big on reloading. Got a tiny setup for just one caliber for bolt actions. Only have a few hundred primers. Wrapped their boxes in plastic and put'em in a dedicated ammo can. Just haven't been shooting as much. Getting old; got a lot of irons in the fire; don't feel as well as I once did. All that.

    This is why I standardized on military rifles and ammo over 40 years ago. Good thing I did.

    Funny now that one can get obscure / "obsolete" calibers, yet have to pay through the nose for standard calibers. Hunting caliber prices have gone nuts, however about a month ago I picked up some boxes of soft point 7.62x54R Nagant ammo at regular price, less than $25/box. Since it is an ancient/proven, military/hunting round world-wide, the ammo for it is available world-wide.

    Here's something to think about: How many countries is it from whom you have bought ammo?! If you start-up the old memory banks, we've all bought ammo from every corner of the globe.

    Me, lord lord!, I don't even know from where all I've bought ammo. U.S., U.K., Greece, Germany, Italy, all of the East European former communist block countries, Russia, Mexico, Indonesia, China, ...

    Greek .303 bound for Hong Kong police (Gurkha troop serving as police). That "fell of the truck" ammo was great, still have a bit. Lacquered primers, annealed necks, non-corrosive primers, ... just the best.

    Some NATO spec. 9mm I got out of Indonesia was super accurate. Their white boxes had a tied ribbon around them = downright cute. However if someone were shooting at you with this stuff, you'd not think it cute ... in what time you had left.

    Got in some crap 7.62NATO out of India. Cases were sticky. I think that they were waxed to protect the cases from the horrid weather. They still hadn't aged well. Fired fine, but I'd had my worries about it. Accuracy wasn't anything impressive as I remember (been a way long time ago).
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  8. Old Geezer

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    Visiting a gun store today. Saw that .45 Auto ammo is showing back up; prices too high. What 9mm was on the shelf was astronomic in price -- $2/round for FMJ, double that for hollow-points. There was a goodly amount of surplus military in 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R available -- there was some price-gouging going on, but not like for 9mm and .38 Special. Didn't see any .357. This confirmed to me why we preppers are are the ants and not the grasshoppers.

    On a side note, I was in an auto parts store today and another fellow and I were just shooting the sh##. In the South, people talk to each other. I'd said nothing about being a prepper, just that the economy was looking ominous, then he said that he was a prepper and was glad that he'd put a bunch of stuff back because now inflation is starting to blow-up. Once we got to talking, he confided that he had stacks of ammunition for the coming festivities. I'd estimate that in my county there are over 2,000 people who are what we would describe as preppers, actively store food and ammunition. He really helped me out with some car-talk / which oil types to use in small car engines, mine in particular. Even gave me some chain-saw maintenance advice -- I destroyed a chain last week. He is one of the many folk in this community who rebuild engines of every sort. He is now doing electrical work. This man is in no way unique in his abilities here in Heartland America. Part of it is poverty and part of it is being OCD. I told him that I so loved this region of America having lived in other parts.
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  9. watcherchris

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    Amen Olde Geezer...Amen!!!!

    Watcherchris
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    Oh.....I almost forgot...

    I am getting verily disappointed in Bass Pro around here.

    They have little to nothing on their shelves in ammo and even reloading supplies.

    While going about making some small purchases about town..I stopped in for a quick check...

    Zero Balance in just about anything of which I might be interested.

    Need to check a specific store across the river.....

    Watcherchris.
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    Can't count on major chains like Bass Pro. Y'gotta find merchants who know people who know people ... who know people. And internationally, things fall off trucks.
     
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  11. TexDanm

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    My last trip to the Bass Pro Shop was probably my last. It seems that they have moved from being a sporting goods store to more of a family clothing store. For me it is a 2-hour drive to see something that isn't really any better than the Accadamy that we have here.

    I think, at least here, that it is where I live. We are in a small town surrounded by lakes and rivers. A lot of the people here retired to here from Houston. If it weren't for a big University, the average age here would probably be a little higher than a lot of places.

    I live 20 miles from that little city in the woods on the outskirts of a TINY town of less than 500 mostly scattered out in the woods. We have very little crime. Every few years some dumba$$ decides to try burglarizing some place and ends up VERY dead and that is the end of that for a few more years.

    I knew a guy that put a stand, like a deer stand, on his property after his business was robbed twice in 6 months. Three months later he shot and killed two wanta be thieves and that seems to have made his point. They cut the chain on his gate to drive in and that was all it took to make it a legal kill. If they had limited their crime to stealing the petty cash it might have not made him so mad. They instead would just trash the entire place and destroy the computers and other office machinery. They were trash and they got what they deserved.That is just the way things go here.
     
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  12. TexDanm

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    I suspect that if it comes to having to basically fight a war to survive that not many are going to survive. To avoid that if possible you might want to make plans for a more isolated place. A word of warning. Don't think that moving to a man-made reservoir will be a good place for long. Without people operating the dam the first big flood it is going to top the dam and cut it down. What was a beautiful huge lake will over night become a giant mud hole. Even worse is to settle down below one of these huge lakes. I live in East Texas and if you look at a map you will see that we have a lot of huge lakes all over the place. They are mostly power generating lakes that require constant attention.
     
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  13. Old Geezer

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      I'm shooting-up ammo I put back decades ago. Last week I gave away some ammo. I'll not purchase ammo at these gouge prices. I'm glad to see ammo coming back on the market because I want suburbanites to be able to defend themselves when the cities go into full melt-down. It would bring rare joy to my heart to see entire gangs being wiped off the Earth. The slaughter of the unclean is coming. It is God's Will.
       
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  15. watcherchris

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    Im Interested in brands like Alliant, IMR and Hodgdon..but that's just me.

    Thanks. Appreciate the heads up.


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  16. Old Geezer

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    "Biden Administration Bans Importation of Russian Ammunition"

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210822/biden-administration-bans-importation-of-russian-ammunition

    "The State Department claims that it is imposing these 'sanctions on the Russian Federation over its use of a 'Novichok' nerve agent in the August 2020 poisoning of Russian opposition figure Aleksey Navalny.' While that may be a viable reason for the United States government to sanction the Russian Federation, the ammunition import restriction seems more aimed at punishing American gun owners and businesses than as a foreign policy tool to influence the Russian Federation.

    "Ammunition exports to the United States are only a small percentage of the GDP of the Russian Federation, but Russian origin ammo makes up a large part of the American ammunition supply. American gun owners were already suffering from a market where demand was exceeding available supply. This new move by the Biden Administration will severely worsen the present supply problems.

    "The release goes on to note that the new policy:

    "'will take effect upon the publication of a Federal Register notice expected on September 7, 2021, and they will remain in place for a minimum of 12 months. The sanctions can only be lifted after a 12-month period if the Executive Branch determines and certifies to Congress that Russia has met several conditions . . . including (1) providing reliable assurances that it will not use chemical weapons in violation of international law, (2) it is not making preparations to use chemical weapons in the future, (3) it is willing to allow international inspectors to verify those assurances, and (4) it is making restitution to Mr. Navalny.'

    "The full effect of this new policy will likely not be realized for a few months, but it will certainly lead to more ammunition shortages, higher prices, and therefore fewer Americans excising their fundamental rights. It may also result in the shuttering of American small businesses that rely heavily on the importation of Russian ammunition. All of this is of course by design for the Biden Administration."

    BANNED:

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    https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/amm...era-the-russian-ammo-ban-and-its-consequences

    "Promises made, promises kept. Of the millions of first-time gun buyers last year, a sizeable amount of them helped to vote in the current administration and are now surprised that this aggressively anti-gun president is doing exactly as he said he would. Unable to attack the 2nd Amendment through legislation, he has decided to do so through sanctions against Russian ammo manufacturers. They were levied in response to the alleged poisoning of Alexei Navalny. This story is brought to you by the same mainstream media that lied for over four years about Russia’s involvement in the 2016 U.S. election as well as the “Kremlin is putting bounties on American soldiers” headline that was widely believed and subsequently debunked earlier this year. Whether you choose to believe that the poisoning of Navalny was a legitimate event or not, it is clear to all sides that the real purpose of these sanctions is to punish law-abiding American gun owners and not the Russian government."
     
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  17. watcherchris

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    Yeah...a friend of mine told me about that ban on Russian ammo....


    Again...If we cannot be trusted with our guns and ammo...we will not be trusted with a vote....


    Ishmaelites run wild..

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  18. TexDanm

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    We have meda an awful mistake in allowing professional politicians to rule our nation. They seem to have no loylty to our nation, only loylty to their party. This isn't a problem of only one of our parties, it is a problem with our system. No person should be allowed to rule over people that they are not a part of.

    Once a politician gains office they seem to forget the people that put them there. They then proceed to make laws and rules that they are somehow not subject to. They have a strict US versus them attitude and the THEM has become the American people and not our enemies. This was inevitable I guess. The idea that a mass of idiots, just because there are a lot of them, will somehow make smart decissions is fatally flawed.

    This was NEVER the intentions of our founding fathers! There are states that actually put in and allow the vote in prisons!!! The REALITY IS that when you are put in prison your civil rights are all suspended right along with your right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.
     
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