'out Of' Supplies At Stores

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  1. Idwanderer

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    A lot of stores here, on their doors, are listing items that they're currently out of. On the grocery store I went to Thursday, for instance, listed … TP, paper towels, hand sanitizer, disinfectant wipes, rubbing alcohol, rice, flour and yeast. Not a secret, nor a surprise, but the things I'm seeing are making me revisit my Alternate currency page in my plan.

    What are your seeing in your areas? Am particularly interested in Grocery stores and Sporting Goods stores. What were the first things to go?
     
  2. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Idwanderer,

    I see the absence of / or the rationing of "inconvenience" items and plenty of availability of actual foods in cans, boxes and produce + bread products.

    The "inconvenience" items are like disinfectant wipes. They are needed but homemade substitutes can be made. Anti-bacterial dish/hand soaps in plastic bottles are rationed (2 per) but there are homemade alternatives.. Bottled water is rationed (2 cases per) but the bottled water is for convenience.

    TP and paper towels are available.

    Just about all foods and bread products are available.

    Above in re Aldi's grocery store.

    Transmitting from the Chesapeake Bay area of Virginia.
     
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  3. Sourdough

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    No stores around here. Last time I was off my mountain was Oct. 23, 2019 (a little more then five months ago) I have no way to get to a store. So I have zero idea what is not available. When a person lives as I do, they must have every single thing they could ever need or want for at least one full year, and two years would be better, just to be on the safe side.

    I would point out that it truly takes many years, and actually a few decades to learn all of the 100% of things you need plus those you desire to have on hand to last one or two years.
     
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  4. watcherchris

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    I found TP at my local grocery store...picked up one large pack.

    What caught me off guard was someone I know calling me up wanting to get some ammo from me for their AR rifle. A sudden shortage of it in most stores around here.

    They know I reload for it.

    I had to tell them …..they had plenty of time to go to Nags Head, The Outer Banks of North Carolina/OBX...out to dinner with the family...etc etc etc...watch television and or movies....et al. Lots of playtime...and monies.

    Good time Charlies...plenty of them out there. Be Warned.


    What is getting on my nerves is this olde manual hand turning worn out can opener. I use it and then resort to my P38 to open the cans in the places where the hand turning one does not get.

    I should have put back another one. I'll get another when I have to go to the store.....but staying put this weekend. Maybe I should get two of them.....Oh....no!!!!!!!! I might be hoarding!!!!

    Help me Mr. Wizard......Help Meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

    Until then I have ample P38 s if need be.

    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  5. Rebecca

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    We seem to be having slightly more issues getting restocked out where I am.

    Last time I went to town the usual items were out of stock - rice, past, flour, many types of cans, yeast, toilet paper, dog food etc. And while not yet alarming it has been more than 3 weeks since these items went out of stock and they have yet to be replenished. Walmart and the other grocery stores had many limitations on how many items you can buy. Only one loaf of bread each etc
    Side note - it has been nearly a week since I ventured away from home so things may have improved.

    While I was there I also exchanged two propane bottles at which time I was told I was lucky as I was taking the last 2 and they had not had their scheduled delivery for a month. While this all impacts my immediate area the possibility is we are just so far down the list of important places to get restocked that it is taking longer than for more populated "important" locations.
     
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  6. Sourdough

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    Or maybe much worse..........Please keep reporting conditions.
     
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  7. Dalewick

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    Went out a week ago and got everything I went for, including TP. The shelves were emptier than I have ever seen in the USA. Reminded me more of 3rd world countries I've visited or pictures of Venezuela recently.

    Best thing this pandemic has done for me is get the wife completely on board.
     
  8. Morgan101

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    I was out Saturday with a three page shopping list. The only thing I didn't get was a specific brand on frozen pizza my son wanted. Otherwise, everything I needed was there. I went to a local grocery chain, and to Wally World. I was not looking for TP or paper products or disinfectants. All of my purchases were food. The bread shelves were full, and there was a clerk there adding more.

    I really do not understand the obsession with bottled water. Has anybody had their water turned off, or even had a boil order? This is a panic I do not understand.

    True for my wife as well, Dalewick. Prepping has always been my hobby which she condones. You can't imagine how happy she was when I broke out the N95 masks. The other day she asked me if I had a shotgun, and ammo. She was again very pleased that we did.
     
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  9. poltiregist

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    Feed stores seem to be concerned about running out of grain . This may account of the milk shortages that I am hearing about . In the U.S. some may not know dairy cattle are seldom put on pasture as they were 50 years ago . Now the cattle are housed in huge lots containing thousands of cows and live off of grain that is brought to them , nope no grass . Think about it no grain means no milk . No grain means no hog feed . no chicken feed , no turkey feed . Even your dog feed is composed of grain and meat products from things such as turkey and chicken . So it is not just a box of cereal to be concerned about , the human consumption of grain is enormous . We can hope the grain supply will hold up until around late summer when the farmers may be able to harvest a fresh crop of grain . Importing and exporting grain seems to now be a thing of the past . This failure to receive imported grain for some countries may be devastating .
     
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    1. Blitz
      Wow. I had no idea cows/cattle in the US don't live off pasture. That seems unbelievable. Here it is the opposite. The majority of cattle/cows are put to pasture, the only exception being in areas of extreme drought, which thankfully has pretty much broken now. Why the change in the US?
       
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  10. watcherchris

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    by Dalewick..


    by Morgan101,


    My lady friend thought many years ago...I was a bit off in putting back certain foods and medicines in noticeable quantities....also my spending much time out in my garage learning to reload.
    There was a hurricane some years back...Sandy I think it was called and it just missed this area...Chesapeake Bay ...and skirted up to New Jersey and New York and did much destruction up there.

    Until then she lived and thought in what I call....Disneyland...Bush Gardens...Kings Dominion....Home and Garden Television....QVC...Home Shopping Channel...a television and or movie world..

    Then she understood why the prepping...when she saw, via the news, how unprepared were many up there.
    She understood why I have several generators...etc etc etc.

    It is good to have your woman and family on board.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  11. Morgan101

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    I have always thought that prepping was just common sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to watch the news, and come to the conclusion "I don't want to end up like that." The news is pretty graphic showing empty shelves. This will be the latest crisis that has people panic buying. Why it doesn't seem to last after the crisis passes is beyond me.
     
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  12. Blitz

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    I've finally got my car repaired so will be venturing into town tomorrow to see what all the fuss is about and the state of the supplies in the shops.

    I did take the car for a test drive to a garage in the middle of nowhere to get some fuel (incredibly, the local town doesn't have a garage. It closed down some months ago due to not undergoing significant safety renovations. Hence, you have to plan carefully lest you run out of fuel).

    The garage was stocked as it usually is. There was plenty of everything, including basics such as milk and bread. I managed to buy a small packet of disinfectant wipes to keep in the car which I had forgotten to put in the glovebox from home and some chicken feed. I also bought some comfort food, chips, chocolates and the like as a bit of a luxury.
     
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  13. Wags

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    No flour or dry active yeast. No Eggs. Who the F hoards eggs not like you can freeze them.

    Godspeed.
     
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  14. poltiregist

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    This kind of goes back to my previous post on this thread - no chicken feed means no eggs ---- Another aspect that some do not know , baby chicks are also being snatched up by people getting ready for the hunger games . The stores are selling them even before they can be delivered to the store . The stores can not furnish enough . The demand is higher than the supply . I don't know what these new chicken owners will do when they find out the chicken feed is also running out and the local dogs , cats and wild critters will eat their chickens when left to forge for themselves .
     
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    1. Blitz
      I can't get rid of my chickens. They constantly breed and lay way too many eggs for me to keep. I try to give them away but no-one wants them.

      We have no issues at all here with feed. Not sure if that will change or not.

      It's so interesting how different things can be depending on where you live in the world.
       
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  15. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon all,

    This AM, went to the grocery store for a couple of dairy things eg cream cheese, Swiss cheese.

    It's my only weekly excursion so, with social distancing still used, walked the aisles. At the canned soup section ( I am loaded here with canned everything) was a computer-printed sign telling of 4 cans only of each item per customer,,,,,The sign continued with a reason printed in clear lettering: limit placed because of many people stocking canned items.

    This has little to do with truck drivers being available, dock space, and the rest.

    The public is being conditioned for something.

    Is the solution vitamin pills ?
     
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  16. Sourdough

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    Interesting.......Very interesting, I vividly remember helping my mother freeze eggs. We put one egg each in a compartment of a ice cube tray (yoke and white).

    And this was way back in the early 1950'. So 65 and 70 years ago we could freeze eggs, I wonder what changed.
     
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    1. Blitz
      There's a lot of things people aren't aware you can freeze. I freeze milk, much to the amusement of my family. They all say "I didn't know you could freeze milk". Yes ... yes you can.
       
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  17. Caribou

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    The store I hit in the middle of last week had lots of empty shelves. I only know about the items I couldn't find but many other items were gone. On my shopping list were TP, Clorox wipes, and a couple other items. They were expecting a truck later that morning from the place where they get their TP and many other items. They were operating under the Noah Rule so I bought 2 of some items I was only looking for one of, just because it was available, and only got two of everything else no matter how many were on my list.

    The wife reminded me that Clorox wipes were on the list before I left. She asked about them when I got back. I always tried to keep 2 unopened 5 packs plus the one we had open. She thought that was too much so wouldn't keep that much on hand unless I was there to put it in the cart. She is starting to sweat it. I'm not telling her about the stash in the storage. I have no illusions that this will be a long lasting lesson but if she can't find more before she takes the last container off the shelf she'll really freak. I'm sorry to make her squirm. No I'm not, I actually enjoying it.
     
  18. Rebecca

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    I have to agree with Sourdough on this. You can freeze eggs. I used to break each egg into a space in a muffin pan then freeze the whole tray. Once frozen pop them out put into a ziploc bag to take up less space and back into the freezer.

    LOL I had my moment recently. The tp in the bathroom was running out so my husband said he would pick up some at the store. I just shut up about the store situation (he had been away at work camp and not been to the stores for a month). There was a lot of complaints when he returned without the tp of course. I told him he better like dry grass coz the maple leaves wouldn't be out for a month. The look on his face was priceless. I did have to give in and get more to out of storage as I was not willing to push the lesson so hard I had to use grass LOL admittedly he is much more on board with being prepared now. I hope it lasts.
     
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  19. TexDanm

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    My wife just got back from the store. No problems no major food shortages. Most of the shortages are cleaning things and such. Food we have in plenty.
     
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  20. Caribou

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    I figure the issue is that the general public has become preppers. We have stocked pantries, they are playing catchup. So many people have followed the just in time plan that the stores have used since the 50's. With the public finally seeing the ridiculous nature of this for the individual the stores can't keep up with the increased demand.

    A bunch of people got worried about TP and hand sanitiser. When that ran out people freaked and started worrying about tons of other items in kind of a cascade effect. The good thing is that if the supply chain breaks, say from tons of truck drivers getting sick, people will generally have preps to fall back on. Hopefully some will keep their stock up after this emergency fades.
     
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    1. Meerkat
      Car I was just listening to a trucker and he said they are not getting any help from this stimulous package. Only SBA with million dollar business or at least 250 employees. Plus diesel is higher than gas yet less expensive to make.
      He said soon truckers 'the backbone of this nation' will not be able to bring the products to market.
       
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  21. poltiregist

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    Blitz - It is just the dairy cattle they raise without pasture . The beef cattle they graze on grass but often are pinned up and feed grain for a while before slaughter . I have no idea why they keep dairy cattle feed entirely with feed brought to them . The dairy cattle thing I learned about a few months ago reading a farm paper . ----- My chicken raising comment was based on my own experience . I kept chickens just fine as long as I kept them pinned up . Finally I decided I was wasting my time if I had to buy them feed . My purpose of the chickens was entirely for a future S.H.T.F. situation . I decided if the only way I could keep those chickens was to buy them feed , I was wasting my time and defeating the purpose of the chickens . So I let them out to forge for themselves . They didn't last long . A lynx would come up and get them in broad daylight , take it down into a thicket and torcher it to hear it squall . I did get a picture of it siting by a live trap that it was too large to fit into . That was one large muscled up cat . It eventually got all my chickens until I was down to only one left so I gave my last chicken away . All my neighbors had the same type experience trying to free range chickens . They to had the cat problem .
     
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  22. Dalewick

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    Poltiregist, Unless dairy animal husbandry has changed drastically in the last couple of years (and it could have), most of the dairy's I worked around kept the cattle up most of the time so there energy went into producing milk. Most dairy's feed some grain daily, so the fat and protein portions of the milk remains high, but the majority of feed is silage, which is produced on the farm to keep cost down. Silage is chopped and siloed field corn and actually ferments in the silo which increases the nutritional value of the feed. I have on rare occasions on farms in WA seen cows act drunk from their silage feed. Silage is why dairies have that strong fermented/alcohol smell around them.

    Dale
     
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  23. Blitz

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    Thanks poltiregist. Really interesting reading. I love reading about the US and how things work over there.


    I have a similar (well, a bit similar) story with regards to chickens. I have a dozen of the bloody things. They do produce a lot of eggs, which is great. But ...


    I also was buying a lot of feed for them and keeping them penned in day and night. Last week however, I thought "screw this", as it's a waste of money constantly buying feed. So I now let them out to forage each day and give them a small amount of feed at the end of the day to lure them back to their pen, to keep them safe at night. Works well as a handful of feed to get them back in the pen isn't a great loss and more sustainable.


    We don't have any major problems with wild animals here, or specifically where I am. The biggest threat to the chickens are eagles but they haven't taken any chickens in the year I've been here. You see them hovering and the rooster goes off his nut, which causes the dog to run down and see what all the fuss is about, barking his head off in the process. Then the eagle buggers off. A neighbour has had numerous chickens taken by eagles, apparently.
     
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  24. Blitz

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    There are reports of wild dogs in the area and an animal called a quoll. I personally haven't seen any wild dogs or quolls. A neighbour recently told me she had some chickens taken by a quoll. Apparently they can get in just about anything and make a right mess of the poor chickens.


    Feral cats can be a problem, once again, apparently. But I haven't sighted one myself. I think having the dog helps enormously, keeping not only cats, but also the aforementioned quolls and any wild dogs away, as he doesn't let anything onto the property.


    Oh, I forgot. The only other issue we have are snakes. We have brown snakes, red bellied blacks, death adders and massive pythons. My son caught a python and a red bellied black, both in the process of getting into the chicken pen. Apart from those episodes, haven't had any other trouble. I think the snakes go mainly for the eggs or the mice, as the feed attracts those pesky little blighters. Once again, limiting the grain feed should help minimise the mice. Although on both occasions, we'd just had chicks, so they could have been interested in them.
     
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  25. Blitz

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    Well, just got back from my first "outing" in around 3 or so months into town. I have no idea what all the fuss is about. It was business as usual pretty much. Both Spar and IGA supermarkets were stocked as per normal. I didn't have any dramas getting what I needed whatsoever.

    The only "distancing" really was the butcher, who roped up an area outside the shop. You weren't allowed in the shop and had to wait for them to come and serve you, with a dirty great big table between them and me (as well as the roped off area). Apart from that I didn't notice any difference. Still plenty of traffic going to and from town, people walking around and no-one wearing masks. Oh, I noticed the pharmacist was wearing disposable gloves.

    Paypass didn't work on any of my transactions so I had to insert my card. Shopkeepers didn't give a hoot. No wipes or glove wearing or whatever.

    I wonder if it will change if and when this virus hits rural areas more severely?
     
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