This was a request. Do I believe COVID-19 is being used by "someone" to manipulate the USA and much of Europe = Yes. That is a different conversation. Dale [/QUOTE] Dale if you have the time or inclination I would like to hear more on your thoughts on the above statement . I believe this warrants it's on thread . I have already voiced my thoughts on this topic but would like to see other members wade into the fray My reasoning for my beliefs is from information and intelligence gleaned from public and private sources. Public sources I won't mind discussing. Private sources, I will not discuss. Friends are friends, but brothers are blood. I believe that politics, finances and the education system is being manipulated by an unknown core group to destroy the USA and it's freedoms. This has been going on for many years but as of about last summer things seem to of been put in motion on a global scale. Before Trump was elected money was given to China and certain academic personnel illegally went to China to establish the Microbiology lab at Wuhan. A number of these people have been prosecuted for these activities and are currently serving prison time. Treason and espionage are still crimes. As of last summer the Chinese government was having problems from groups of there citizens protesting for democratic freedoms. The communist party of China frowns on such activities. Last fall when the demonstrations were growing to the point that they were spreading beyond Wuhan, our intelligence agencies intercepted a email from the microbiology lab in Wuhan to party heads in Beijing. The email simply stated that a viral sample was "missing" from the lab. This was on the same day that the Chinese army had visited the lab. It has been reported that patient zero was a lab worker that has since, vanished. This same lab receives biological samples from a number of sources with a primary source being the Chinese army. The Chinese Army (CA), had previously collected the COVID-19 sample of virus from another area of China, from infected bats. This lab is funded by the Chinese government and overseas investors, such as Bill Gates. Who is also WHO's (World Health Organizations) second largest contributor (just barely behind the USA). Which makes for an easy explanation for why WHO did not go to China as it had historically to research and help with a virus. By November, China was locking down Wuhan and separating and detaining sick and non-sick citizens. Especially citizens identified as freedom movement organizers. Most have not been seen since. I heard about the above mentioned email and detentions in December. In January I traveled to Hawaii, where the locals were starting to hear about the virus from visiting Chinese. Me and the misses had the virus in February after flying back from Hawaii and passing through several thousand Chinese nationals. Also occurring in February, Dr. Anthony Fauci was recommending the complete shutdown that occurred in March. The governments "social distancing" requirements and legal overreaches under USA law, are without precedent and in violation of the US constitution. Social distancing achieved several goals of anyone trying to destroy democratic governments. 1. Loss of personal freedoms, without question. 2. Manipulation of the economy, by selecting what companies were allowed to continue business. 3. Societal manipulation, by restricting religious freedoms and encouraging risky behavior (left alcohol stores open). 4. Media manipulation of facts. Social distancing and closure of key businesses and government offices has made it almost impossible to corroborate anything involving the virus. I would also like to point out that in the reporting's, it is the technology advanced countries that have the best sanitation and hygiene in the world, that supposedly have the greatest number of COVID-19 cases and deaths. Coincidence or manufactured lie? Currently it is being reported that states that are mostly conservative and have had little or no protest and riots, are having huge surges in COVID cases and the states that had huge protest marches and riots weeks ago, have had no surges. Coincidences? Riots bring me to ANTIFA and other violent socialist organizations. Since I've discussed elsewhere what these groups are about and how there funded. I don't see a need to go over them again. Side note: ANTIFA has also received funds and paramilitary training from the government of China in the past. Coincidences can occur but a series of unlikely coincidences become evidence of a plan. Follow the plan and you can discover the goal. Discover the goal and you can track the money. Track the money and you find those responsible. I believe that there is a covert group of socialist/communist that have been recruiting members and working at the overthrow/abolishment of the USA and any freedom believing government. At there core they have very wealthy and prominently placed members and understand that only by working slowly to achieve there goals do they have a chance at accomplishing there agenda. When attacked out right, Americans fight back but the brainwashed sheep will accept almost anything if you tell them it's for there good for long enough and promise them things that they want. Just my opinion. Dale
BLM is helping out in their own way: https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/...highly-trained-military-arm-to-patrol-cities/ The Democratic Party's moves to defund the police promotes voter intimidation come November 2020. The Black Panthers have shown-up at polling places to intimidate elderly voters who, let's face it, are actual grown-ups, thus conservative voters. Come November, expect to see Black Lives Matter bruisers at polling places where there are heavy turnouts for conservative voters. Hopefully militia groups will be there to provide security for the Americans. Let's go back some more years: .
Charlottesville 2017 https://carolinareviewonline.org/2018/02/25/dwayne-dixon/ Let's go back to 2016 and witness BLM in action back then: https://madworldnews.com/blm-leaders-black-murderers/ .
Dale if you have the time or inclination I would like to hear more on your thoughts on the above statement . I believe this warrants it's on thread . I have already voiced my thoughts on this topic but would like to see other members wade into the fray My reasoning for my beliefs is from information and intelligence gleaned from public and private sources. Public sources I won't mind discussing. Private sources, I will not discuss. Friends are friends, but brothers are blood. I believe that politics, finances and the education system is being manipulated by an unknown core group to destroy the USA and it's freedoms. This has been going on for many years but as of about last summer things seem to of been put in motion on a global scale. Before Trump was elected money was given to China and certain academic personnel illegally went to China to establish the Microbiology lab at Wuhan. A number of these people have been prosecuted for these activities and are currently serving prison time. Treason and espionage are still crimes. --------------------------- Wow Dale I didn't expect that much feed back . It is all good information that I hope all our members read . I also think this virus was deliberately and methodically released with a much more sinister goal in mind than most people can comprehend . I have been called crazy for suspecting such evil on that large a scale .
Find a good place to hide far-far-far from other humans. And it would help if the area you choose to hide, had an abundance of food supplied by nature.
"superpowers" come and go, the Ancient Roman Empire was the superpower of its day, but that collapsed too, all these superpowers collapse not from foreign wars but from interference from the inside. all civilisations come and go, this western globalisation civilisation will be no different, one day maybe sooner than we think it will be consigned to history, ancient history.
we've had the pandemic, now we have race riots, not just in the US but in the UK too, Police here attack anyone they classify as "far right" but what do they do to BLM rioters? they kneel in front of them for crying out loud! if there is anyone out there who hasn't yet seen the writing on the wall then they are a bloody idiot, everyone needs to be a prepper and a survivalist, get some food stores behind you and learn some survival skills because its all fast coming around our ears. prepare and survive, adapt or die.
My prediction - this communist instigated uprising will blow into a full scale shooting conflict in less than 12 months from now . My reasoning behind this - the U.S. presidential election is in November . Regardless what transpires with the election , the boiling point will be reached .
nobody is denying there will be conflict but that conflict will come from inside both our countries not outside.
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing.........However I really would appreciate your vision of what that would look like (structurally) I ask, because I can't see it in the classic concept. Not inferring it will not happen. It is just that my grasp of that, requires uniforms for team identification, well funded financial backers for each team, clear statement of each teams moral and social goals. How will future generations consider this ? A revolution, insurrection, civil war, or general unfocused pissed'off at current conditions anarchy. My problem is, I can't envision the first three choices, I can and do expect the the fourth. Which leads me to my solution for everything. (Find a good place to hide far-far-far from other humans. And it would help if the area you choose to hide, had an abundance of food supplied by nature).
The democrat side of the possible coming conflict are already well funded . Big businesses have given big bucks to the insurrection . Many of these business contributions to the uprising goes over a million dollars each . We have some very wealthy individuals and the Chinese Government financially backing the overthrow of Donald Trump and establishing a communist regime . --- The freedom loving , constitutionalist or not nearly as well funded . However this group are the hardy outdoor type with stockpiles of guns and ammunition . Organized militias are already on standby to step into the fray , backing the freedom loving people . --- Whom controls the U.S. military after January first will determine which side the U.S. government military will back . ------- How I see this playing out - the democrat / communist side are a delusional bunch with no concept of farming and self sufficiency . Unless China or Russia are able to ship the democrats food to support them they will try ravaging the rural areas for food . That is where groups of democrats will be brought into battle , up against either the government army or militia army . Quite possibly at this point a communist country may put their own troops on the ground or provide air support for the democrats . The communist may stick a blue helmet on their troops to try to give their involvement some credibility . As for as uniforms for combatants it would likely be like the first U.S. Civil War where there would be a hogpod of different looking uniforms varying from group to group . ---- How will history look at this ? That mostly would depend on who won . The winner gets to put their spin on it .
Seems that the real massive "deciding" force is the U.S. Government. And it appears that even as currently Donald Trump is President and even with a Republican controlled Senate........the Government appears to consistently side with the Liberal agenda. Which only validates that the "True" Governing power of The United States of America resides in the shadow. I only see open warfare in America (not if, but) when the Second Amendment Rights are withdrawn. Some place there is a line that if crossed on this issue, we shall go to war. Other then that, I see various levels of semi-focused anarchy. Which will go full catastrophic destruction, when the entire pension system collapses. I my opinion only the loss of second amendment rights, or the destruction of the pension system, will bring this country to widespread super ugliness.
For the group. Except for not yet having full control of firearms, what part of the original communist/socialist plan has not been accomplished? If as I believe socialist groups are willing to fight a modified guerilla war in which they use rioting, looting and staged violence to destroy all confidence in the US governments ability to keep it's citizens safe. The socialist in the democratic party will gain an elected advantage that they will utilize to change laws and finally the constitution and eliminate the 2nd Amendment. You can guess the rest. Dale
That is never going to happen, that is what makes America, "AMERICA". That is where the sides will be clearly identified. The fight will start, if necessary to the death. That in my opinion "IS" the red line that if crossed, is open warfare. Other then that we will have differing levels of anarchy.....and there will be reprisal at the local level for local anarchy.
Matt Bracken........if he chose to, could organize and lead a strong opposing political force to what is currently happening, and what is expected to happen. Not sure he could keep from loosing control of that group. But he could bring it together. If there was created a political party called 2A. That party would draw so many members from the Republican and Democratic parties, that it would be stronger then those two together.
If you are ever excessively swimming in ecstatic bliss, and strongly desire to be raving pissed'off just read the first two or three chapters of the first book in the trilogy "ENEMIES FORGINE and DOMESTIC". It is near exactly what is happening today, written about 15 or 20 years go.
Sourdough, Think about the changes that have occurred in the last 50 years. When I was a young man you could purchase a machinegun without needing a background check, finger prints and a $200 ATF stamp. Now you need a FBI approved background check just to purchase a single shot shotgun. People are now taking and controlling parts of cities with weapons (defined as Insurrection), and nothing is being done about it. What would have happened to those insurrectionist 50, 40 or just 25 years ago? Rome stood as an empire for almost 1500 years, but it still fell in it's end. Do you doubt that the majority of the population (sheep) won't start believing that they are better off without guns in there life. Think about how fast Great Britain, Germany and Australia all made gun ownership illegal. Patriots will keep the country free, but in 25 years the idiots that are rioting and looting now, will be in there 50's and how do you think they will vote. The socialist plan isn't for a swift violent take over, but for a slow erosion of our country. Parasites eat the living and earth worms eat the dead. Right now we are at war with the parasites and with time they will kill the country. Because of the places I've been and done I have had ring worm and lung worm in the past. The medicine to get rid of these parasites is nasty tasting and unpleasant to take. Getting rid of the countries parasites would be hard to do and very unpleasant and I don't believe the country has the fortitude or strength to get of them. If you don't get rid of parasites, you die. So will our country. Just my opinion. Dale
I think that there is a line involving 2A that if crossed, all hell will ascend on America. I truly believe that 100%. But remember that I have been living in remote or rural Alaska for the last 50 plus years. There is a very-very strong gun ownership in Alaska. Maybe the highest per capita in all of America.
I believe that is the difference. Alaska has little in common with the rest of the lower 48 states anymore. Unfortunately. States that I ran traplines in as a young man (Colorado & Washington), it is now illegal to even set steel traps in. Only about 30% of Americans now even own a gun. The country I see around me now has little of the country I grew up in left in it and I'm only 57 years old. It makes me sad. Dale
There are now two distinct Americas. One cannot ask what Americans will do without defining which America it is that he is talking about. There is patriotic America where the Constitution is the law. Then there is collectivist America where elitists are listened-to and followed by weak sycophantic sheeple. This collectivist America also includes those who live on government checks, plus the predator criminal element. The criminal element is all-for the de-funding of police, duhhh, ha ha ha! Patriots are not going to turn in their firearms to the police nor to the military. Indeed most semi-automatic owners ARE military or police / retired military or retired LEOs. Collectivist sheeple are masochists. They willingly accept castration. They are born-again Secular Humanists, so they do not believe in God, nor the soul, nor personal pride. All that is important is to live a long time and have drugs and alcohol available to treat the terminal depression from which they all seem to be suffering. Those among these who claim to be religious, want to be Jesus Christ themselves. Their funding oligarchs use them like the slaves they are. Where the sheeple have elected a socialist governor and the governor bans firearms, Patriots show up on the steps of state office buildings and courthouses. We'll see what happens when the socialists push their agendas too far. I predict that a whole lot of killing will go on. If a socialist is in the White House, then war will be made on the Patriots. I'm wondering if a socialist president could muster a fighting military to put down those who support the U.S. Constitution. There are sheriff's departments across the nation stating that their counties are sanctuaries for those who wish to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Socialist governors and mayors have now begun a war against the police. A communist member of the U.S. Congress has said that a suburbanite wishing to have police protection should their home is invaded is a manifestation of that person's "white privilege". Here is a map of U.S. voting precincts and how they voted in the 2016 presidential election. Red indicates voting for Trump. Blue indicates voting for Hillary. It is clear that urbanites (most of the blue areas) voted for Hillary. As we know, most urbanites are dependent people. Most urbanites have never grown their own food, cut firewood for a woodstove, cooked on a woodstove nor over a campfire, never hunted, never have learned to use a firearm, they can't do any sort of repair work, ... . There are notable exceptions of course (actual workers in cities are vastly outvoted by the dependent people), but if you cut off utilities to the blue areas of the above map, the people therein would die. Without being propped-up by the true Americans living in Heartland America (i.e. the red area of the map), the urbanites would decompensate and just die. .
I think I have posted this quote before, but this is a good time to post it again. IMHO we are somewhere between the apathy and dependence stages. Italy still exists today; a mere shell of its former greatness, but it still exists. Maybe that is the direction the U.S.A. will take. “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” ― Alexander Fraser Tytler
