Primitive water purification methods

Discussion in 'Finding, Purifying, and Storing Water' started by CarlosTL, Jul 7, 2016.

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  1. CarlosTL

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    What is your method for water purification? And is there any primitive and easy way of purifying water other than boiling?

    I usually buy water purification tablets when I go camping, and wonder if I need to stash those for any future SHTF scenario.

    Though I do not remember the details, I once saw on TV a neat way of purifying water they were teaching people in Africa, it only used organic material probably just sand and some rocks. Has anybody heard of this?
     
  2. lonewolf

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    yes its the traditional method using sand, gravel, rocks,charcoal from a campfire.
     
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  3. Keith H.

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    Using sand & charcoal is a well known method. I use boiling & filter bags.
    Keith.
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  4. DecMikashimota

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    I could be wrong, but just leaving water out in the sun overnight will help you. I'm joking but not about leaving water out in the sun for some hours. This is as primitive as it gets, people of antiquity believed that sunlight purified water.
     
  5. surviveandthrive1

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    you trolling bro? Doesn't leaving water out in the sun make it ripe to grow bacteria? Anyways I tried to do the whole gravel, sand, rocks thing and it worked, but I think it's just easier to use one of these filters. I picked up a couple and have them handy for when I need to bug out.
     
  6. lonewolf

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    I have heard this about leaving water out in the sun to purify, not sure about this myself, at the very least one should boil it and filter it through cloth I think.
    water filters are good, I have several mini Sawyer ones myself, but they wont last forever, eventually the filters will wear out, and you'll have to fall back on more "primitive" methods, so knowing how to do this would be a skill to learn.
     
  7. Harrysung

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    In my place, primitive water purification involves addition of alum, and boiling the water. For rain water, people just add common salt to the water and the water is good to go for long time storage.
     
  8. missionreport

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    Some pretty good stuff. Would you mind sharing just how this works? - sand, gravel, rocks, charcoal from a campfire in purifying water. I mean all I'm familiar with is boiling water and that's it. So far I've learned that finding water is first priority in surviving in the wilds which brought me to the next question on how to purify it or make sure that its safe.
     
  9. jeager

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    Leaving untreated water out in the sun promotes algae and bacteria growth.
    Generally a bad idea but try it and let us know.
    If you can get away from the potty long enough.

    Two times a year in warm weather I treat my deep well with 2 gallons of bleach.
    Dump bleach. Run water till outlets smell of bleach.
    Let sit at least 12 hours, then run water till nothing smells of bleach.
    I've read 10 drops of bleach to 1 gallon water will kill bacteria.
    Never tried it.
     
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  10. Zyphir

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    Yes the sun works to disinfect water that is filtered and clear UV light kills germs. The sun does not however remove any chemical pollution in the water. Also certain plastic leach chemicals into the water if it gets hot enough.
     
  11. lonewolf

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    don't fancy leaving it in the sun, I know how infested our garden water butts get.
     
  12. Zyphir

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    Exactly it is not really worth the risk unless a life death situation but we have enough things to have clean drinking water if we prep.
     
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  13. jeager

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    Leaving water in the sun is a great way to grow bacteria of all sorts.
    Like algae, pond scum, all manner of micro organisms.......if in doubt boil it.
    "The topic of this summary report is Giardia, Crytosporidium, and waterborne disease. Giardia and Crytosporidium are becoming the most widespread intestinal parasites, i.e., disease causing organisms, associated with waterborne disease."

    If a shtf situation the last thing you need is beaver fever, and worse...............

    http://modernsurvivalblog.com/health/disinfectant-bleach-water-ratio/

    Way back in the day there weren't many OLD mountain men, trappers, etc.
    Forty was OLD.
    A tough and hard lot I'm sure but they got sick too, and fell, and broke bones,
    and got killed by Native Americans....................

    Wanna go anarchoprimitive? Be my guest.

    "Even so, in the simplest hunter-gatherer societies, few people survived past age 50. In the healthiest cultures in the 1,000 years before Columbus, a life span of no more than 35 years might be usual."

    Like I said, 40 was old.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/29/science/don-t-blame-columbus-for-all-the-indians-ills.html

    Long prior to Columbus and the arrival of Spanish and other Europeans
    Native Americans had a relatively short life span.

    Going primitive ain't real smart.
    Primitive survival skills are useful but I'm not trading in my rifles
    for an atlatl.
    I would like to learn to throw one however. Sounds neat.
     
  14. Old Geezer

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  15. lonewolf

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    Sawyer mini.
     
  16. lonewolf

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    until you run out of bullets that is, everything will run out post shtf given time.
     
  17. jeager

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    Ain't likely.
    I have thousands of boolets.
    Literally thousands.
    1,000 5.56 and 15,000 .22 rim fire + at least 100 rounds per gun for other
    "insurance". For the 12 bore at least 250 rounds of various loads.
    Then there is 40 pounds of Holy Black powder if I want to go primitive.
    And if need be, if someone is stupid enough to "bother" me, I'll take his
    guns and boolets.
    Oh, yeah, and at least enough brass, boolets, powder, primers, for much, much,
    more.
    I'm not going to run out of guns or ammo.
    My great grand children might but I won't.

    This is the United States of America, still relatively free and not dominated by
    a repressive government.
    Yet.
    We are the ONLY nation with anything like a 2nd Amendment to our Constitution.
    We learned that the hard way from fighting the Brits.
    Then later fighting to save the Brits.:D
     
  18. lonewolf

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    you yanks didn't save us brits we did that all by ourselves, it was called "The Battle of Britain", that was 1940, you yanks didn't join the war until 1941 after Pearl Harbour.
     
  19. jeager

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    I'll tell that to dad and his 3 brothers.

    Lend Lease Act 1941.
    By allowing the transfer of supplies without compensation to Britain.

    Dunkirk.
    The German) army was to halt for three days, which gave the Allies sufficient time to organise the Dunkirk evacuation and build a defensive line. Despite the Allies' gloomy estimates of the situation, with Britain even discussing a conditional surrender to Germany, in the end more than 330,000 Allied troops were rescued.

    The Brits lost 20% men and 80% war material to the Germans.
    Pretty gloomy don'cha'think?

    The Brit saying about the American G.I.
    "Over paid, over sexed, and over here."

    Allied casualties D-day invasion of Normandy.

    Allied casualties were at least 10,000, with 4,414 confirmed dead.

    Brits might have been starved into surrender were it not for American
    Liberty ships.
    At tremendous cost to the Americans.

    History is history, no use denying it.
    Dad and three brothers were in combat in WWII.
    Three in Europe, one in the Pacific.
    All came home, all wounded.

    Absolutely NO nation could come close to matching American industrial
    capacity.
    American Liberty Ships kept the allies in food, medicine, and war materials.
    At tremendous cost to American sailors.
     
  20. lonewolf

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    at a tremendous financial cost to Britain, we didn't finish paying for lend lease until 2006 over 60 years after the world ended, talk about making a profit on everything.
    D Day was the relief of EUROPE not the UK, the Germans couldn't invade the UK.
    my dad served in WW2 as did my uncles, Granddad was in WW1.
     
  21. jeager

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    I think Hitler wanted to invade but the English Channel was too much
    of an obstacle and he listened to Goering who felt England could be defeated
    from the air and at sea.
    Invasion was highly unlikely.
    All wars are expensive in people, material and money.
    Russia like suffered more than the other allies.
    8,668,000 to 11,400,000 but I've read up to 20,000,000.
    I doubt anyone will ever know the true number of lives lost.

    There is always a profit from war.

    IF there is a winner.

    I dare say British business persons made a lot of money from that war.
    I've read there were 7 new American millionaires from WWII.
     
  22. lonewolf

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    the only way Germany could invade Britain was if they first had total control of the air space, they knew that, the RAF made sure that didn't happen, a lot of very young British pilots lost their lives during The Battle of Britain.
    now all they would have to do is walk through The Channel Tunnel!!!
     
  23. jeager

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    I grew up on stories of WWII heroes.
    As I've mentioned dad, and 3 of his brothers were in combat in that epic war.
    The air warriors of England and France and other nations always drew my
    admiration.

    Sir Douglas Robert Steuart Bader who was a premier fighter ace
    despite have no legs.

    The R.A.F. staved off Hitlers assaults.

    "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few,"

    Churchill's tribute to the R.A.F.
     
  24. jeager

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    I think it would not be hard to defend or destroy the Chunnel.
     
  25. lonewolf

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    just get a couple of former IRA men to blow it up.
     
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  26. jeager

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    It should be fairly easy to fine a former IRA explosives experts.

    Back in the day when I was a police officer our city had an ordnance that
    required anyone purchasing a handgun to obtain a permit from the city
    police department.
    We would run an N.C.I.C. records check to determine if the purchaser
    had a clean record, was not wanted for any reason, etc.
    I issued clearances for two persons to purchase handguns.
    6 months later the F.B.I. paid me a little visit concerning these handgun
    purchases. GULP!
    Two handguns showed up at the scene of political assassinations in Ireland.
    As if I had any control over that.
    Outlaw groups often pay a person with a clean police record to buy handguns
    for those that cannot legally buy any firearm.
    It's called a straw purchase.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_purchase
    One good reason I never sell any firearm to anyone I don't personally know
    well.
    I don't sell any of my firearms anyway.
    I might trade one for something else at a store where the transaction is done
    legally.
    I don't want the B.A.T.F. snooping around my goods.
    I don't want the gov't snooping around my anything.
    Heck I don't even pay taxes.
    I'm exempt.
    Social security isn't taxable and my police pension IS tax money and has
    already been taxed to death.
    I think I can earn up to $600 bucks a month without paying taxes.
    I don't but it's a thought.
     
  27. jeager

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    Yes, a violent bunch.
    People across the pond often bash the U.S. for our firearms ownership citing
    a high crime rate due to the proliferation of firearm in the U.S.
    What a bunch of poppycock that is.
    Note VIOLENT CRIME:
    The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

    Hilarious ain't it?

    In England even kitchen knives are restricted.
    Guns are only owned by well off land owners.
    I guess surfdom is still the norm.

    I had an e-friend in South Africa.
    He belonged to a shooting club.
    Black powder only and the firearm had to be kept locked up at the gun club.
    Rule was only 1 pound of black powder per member per year.
    Hell I've got FORTY pounds stored at my place.
    bawwwwwwwwww-hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
    I love America.
    South Africa's violent crime rate is FOUR TIMES ours.
    Canada TWO TIMES higher!
    And we in the U.S. get criticized for our 2nd Amendment.
    In England even large kitchen knives are restricted by law.
    I guess surfdome is still alive and well.
    The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine.
    Knife law in England ^^^.
    https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

    I can carry a concealed firearm anywhere in the contiguous 48 States with
    impunity.
    I don't carry much any longer but you can bet your sweet behind I have
    one handy all of the time.
    Perhaps that's one reason why the U.S. violent crime rate is so much lower
    than other nations????

    Well this site IS about survival isn't it?

    Hitler may have been crazy but he wasn't stupid.
    When he came to power he enacted harsh gun control laws.
    He knew the populace should be defenseless.
    The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

    Rebuttal? Anyone care to attack America's 2nd Amendment?
    Go fer it.
     
  28. lonewolf

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    untrue!! you can buy a kitchen knife anywhere without restriction.
    its only if you carry it on the street with intent to do someone harm that you will be arrested.
     
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  29. jeager

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    Thanks for the clarification.

    I misread the article.
    It's that a ban is only being called for.
    No ban in effect.
    Yet.
    According to the BBC, “A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.” The BBC added that “many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.”

    After consulting 10 of the top chefs in the UK who told them that “long pointed knives” have little value in a kitchen, researchers believe that there is no reason for those knives to be publicly available.

    In the United Kingdom, access by the general public to firearms is tightly controlled by law which is much more restrictive than the minimum rules required by the European Firearms Directive, but it is less restrictive in Northern Ireland.


    IF a ban passes it will make jolly ol' England a far safer place.
    Think I'll pack up and get ready to move out of the colonies.
    My friends won't leave the house now without at least an assault rifle
    in the car and the husband and wife both carry .357 magnums.
    Frankly I don't carry a concealed firearm any longer.
    I just have two A.R. s, in the car and a grenade in my back pack.
    Won't go anywhere without that grenade.:rolleyes:

    I think part of the reason for American's "gun tradition" is that we were
    a "frontier colony".
    Our forefathers got tired of British rule and taxation.
    And other things.

    I'm absolutely positive history class in Great Britain is much different
    than history class in the U.S.
    British attempts to disarm the Massachusetts militia at Concord in April 1775 led to open combat.

    Molon L'abe
    .
    Want my weapons? Come get them.:D

    Britain and America.
    Two countries separated by a common language.;)

    Survival is an American tradition.
    This in spite of our "gimmie" population.
    "gimmie" people might have hard time in a shtf situation.

    Gee whiz when we Americans got tired of fighting the Spanish, (Alamo) and British the Native Americans and French, we fought each other!:mad:
     
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  30. lonewolf

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    i'm a bit tired of having to explain that guns ARE available in the UK, but its the home visit by the police that puts most people off.
     
  31. jeager

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    People in the U.S. that own "destructive devices" like cannon, machine guns,
    and some explosives get unannounced visits by the B.A.T.F. Compliance
    people to make sure those weapons are stored properly and still in ownership
    of those permitted to have them.
    I know some people that have 20 and 40 mm cannon as well as various
    machine guns.
    Expensive to buy, expensive to keep, expensive to feed.
    Some owners of 20 and 40 mm cannon have the barrels sleeved to take
    .50 B.M.G. rounds.
    As of Feb 2015, there are 456,930 registered machine guns in the USA (Florida, Texas and Virginia have the most with each state having over 30,000). California, a state that no longer allows machine guns has over 29,000 registered machines guns!

    Please don't ask why anyone needs such weapons.
    It's a matter of want, not need.
    I want, I just can't afford.
     
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    in Britain just WANTING is not enough to get a licence, you have to have a use for such items, in the case of a shotgun probably being a member of a clay(skeet?) shooting club is usually enough, but a hunting rifle is something else and an assault rifle is probably a no-no.
     
  33. jeager

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    People that have machine guns legally aren't people that are likely
    to rob, rape, and steal.
     
  34. lonewolf

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    in normal times we have to explain why we need a machine gun.
     
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