Religious Posts, Yes Or No?

Discussion in 'The Hangout' started by Keith H., Jun 30, 2017.

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Religious Posts, Yes or No?

Poll closed Jul 7, 2017.
  1. No I do not like to see posts regarding religion.

    57.1%
  2. Yes I like to see posts regarding religion.

    28.6%
  3. I don't care one way or the other.

    14.3%
  1. Keith H.

    Keith H. Moderator Staff Member
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    Personally I do not approve of posts about religion on a survival forum. One's religion, if you have one, is a very personal choice & people tend to have strong views about their own religion. I DO NOT believe in the christian god, in fact I have very strong views about this so called god all mighty, & I dislike having religion forced down my throat & being confronted by it all the time.
    Just lately a number of these religious posts have been made on this forum, & I fail to see how posts of this type can help anyone on this forum.
    Please cast your vote for or against.
    Keith.
     
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  2. Bishop

    Bishop Expert Member
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    I do believe in something mostly my self but maybe something else but I agree with Mr Keith
     
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  3. joegirl

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    Hi Keith. I am a new member. I do respect your opinion. But I feel religion is very much a huge part of what can and should be discussed on a survival forum like this. Now, whether your religion is Christianity, Islam or whatever it is. Think about impossible situations or disasters that people survived, like the 33 Chilean miners in 2010 who were trapped underground for 69 days. When the food, water, and everything else was used up and all hope of being saved alive was gone, the only thing that kept these men going (according to them) were their different beliefs and hope in a higher power.

    I certainly do not advocate that Sunday services be held on here or that people should try force their beliefs on someone else. That is a big turn-off. All I am saying is; sometimes in a desperate survival life and death situation, the only thing that keeps some people going is belief in a god or a God.
    :)
     
  4. iamawriter

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    Posts on religion could be interesting and informative provided those that interact do not go overboard and use harsh language and disrespect the community. One can discreetly avoid blaming each other for fotever bad is happening in the world today although it could stem from religious beliefs.
     
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  5. Koala

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    Couldn't agree more Keith. We have very similar views when it comes to religion. I also don't believe in the God that the church and Christianity presents us but I don't want to go into details why and offend anybody that does believe in it.

    This is exactly why I believe that discussions about religion can be too delicate and break out many conflicts on a forum. Religion is always a very personal thing. If you are a very religious person and you read posts about somebody writing against what you believe in, you will most likely react in a negative way. I just tend to avoid such posts - most of the time I don't even read them but this is my personal opinion :)
     
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  6. Denis_P

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    I voted for "I don't care one way or the other." While I myself don't believe in a God in the way that Abrahamic religions put it, I don't mind others' beliefs or believers gathering together to discuss religious topics on forums. My views have always been Agnostic for the most part, and this is why I am always open to dialogue with people who are both strongly religious or strongly opposed to religion.

    Though two things I do not tolerate are both people who insistently try to convert others to their views, and those who argue with the intent to prove that their perspective is right and your perspective is wrong.

    I am always open to religious dialogue, but I am not open to having my opinion disrespected or attempts at converting me.
     
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  7. lonewolf

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    religion is personal to each of us, personally i'm a pagan and don't believe in organised religion and i don't want any forum i am a part of to be reduced to a religious debating site. i have seen it happen too many times on other forums.
     
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  8. Keith H.

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    I am not against anyone believing in their god, but from my experience on other forums, discussions regarding religion have become so aggressive that Moderators have had to close the discussion & ban some of the members. By all means believe in an invisible god if that is what it takes to get you through a bad situation, but personally I think people are better off believing in themselves & doing all they can to help themselves. I have lost a lot of close friends over the years, one of them put his life in the hands of his christian god, he died. God almighty? No. The christian god is like an invisible friend, it has no power other than the supposed power believers believe in. Children die every day, Genocide in West Papua continues, if god had the power he would stop this, if this god were real & a good god he would save lives. But christians say some people upset this god & because of this he/she/it turned it's back on humanity. Does this sound like a loving & caring god?
    If people wish to pursue these religious posts, then I can only advise those who are against such posts to ignore them & DO NOT enter into an aggressive discussion.
    Keith.
     
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  9. jeager

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    I love studying religion and have done so for well over 30 years.
    I've seen boards ripped apart because of a religion forum on a non religious
    debate forum.

    I voted no.

    I got booted off a religious board because my views are a bit out of the mainstream.
     
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  10. jeager

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    For instance the popular belief that when bad people die they go to Hell.
    Hell does not exist, never did.
    The good dead go to Heaven. Not so.
    The dead get buried.
    Period.

    Oh, nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!:confused:

    Now I've gone and done it:eek:.
    Don't ask I won't respond.:(
     
  11. branchd77

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    I think maybe we should create a subforum for religion. I don't really care to read about it on here but if some people do let's make a place for it and leave all the talks there? Yes or No?
     
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  12. jeager

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    Nothing will tear a site apart like religion and politics.
    One small private forum I'm part of has a politics forum but we are all
    of like mind so all we do is agree with one another.
    We've been together 20+ years.
    Trump rocks and Hillary sucks canal water.
    ooooopps.
    Sorry.:rolleyes:
     
  13. jeager

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    hummmmmmmmm?????????????

    Well, faith can spawn hope and perhaps hope is all we might have to hang onto
    and survive.
    Right off hand I can think of perhaps millions that survived with only hope
    and faith.
    The Jews in WWII.
    It wasn't only Jews that were persecuted.
    Jehovah's Witnesses, some Catholic clergy that opposed Hitler, Gypsies,
    and political opponents as well as some p.o.w.s.
    Many of those went to the gas chambers with the Jews.
    Faith and hope sustained many that might otherwise have died.

    Frankly I have no idea why I;m still alive.
    In police work I dodged death several times.
    Then there was the Chrysler murders.
     
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      I wonder how many more people have died because of their faith, or because of the religious beliefs of their persecutors, then have been saved by faith.
      .....just a thought.
       
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  14. WildSpirit

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    Particularly, I think everyone has the right to express themselves, even though the subject is as controversial as "religion". So, I can't see a real problem in these types of posts (depending on how it was written, obviously :D).
     
  15. zeedollar

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    I certainly agree with you on this. I remember during the 9/11 attack, the Christian church played an important role in the survival of some wounded and providing shelter and medical care to ensure their survival. If you are just trying to fend for yourself alone, then many more would die because we need each other, so a common belief is welcomed.
     
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      It's grossly presumptuous to assume that we all have common beliefs.
       
      Ystranc, Jul 16, 2017
  16. Ystranc

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    I would be happy to agree to having a part of the forum ring fenced for debating comparative theology if the more religious members can be persuaded to keep it there.
    The list of members that I'm ignoring has already reached epic proportions, life is too short for answering stupid questions. If I wanted to help with homework assignments I would be a teacher.
     
  17. Lee CT NE

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    Unfortunately there are strong views and beliefs on both sids. I fear that it will get out of hand from either or both sides as some of the posts have already reflected.
    My personal opinion is if you don't believe in God, stay out of forum threads about it. If you do believe as I do, don't try to stuff your beliefs down one anothers throats and/or use derogatory language. This applies to both sides.
    I respect the views of others and expect the same respect.
    My vote is neither yes, no, nor I don't care; rather if threads about religion can stay civil - fine. If not, better not to have them and cause hard feeling and/or tempers to flare.
     
  18. CivilDefense

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    Short answer, no, I don't think it has an real benefit here or elsewhere. I am aware that one's religious beliefs impact ethical considerations and some faith systems even promote preparedness (e.g., the Latter-Day Saints). Still, religious discussions are often divisive and rarely add much to real-world preparedness. For example, there is a thread running now about the Rapture. Not only do most people not subscribe to that specific eschatological position, it is involving preparing for, what, a few years until the end of days? ;)

    All that said, maybe a section where those types of discussions would work best. Those that want to talk matters of faith can keep it there and those that think it is pointless can conveniently ignore that section.
     
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  19. Tumbleweed

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    I believe in God, and have all of my life; but I agree that a survival forum really is not the place for religious discussion, and (along with politics ) it is one of the topics that stirs up a lot of dissension in any forum, even a religious one where everyone supposedly believes in the same God.
    Unless a post is directly related to survival, and involves something to do with a church or denomination, I don't really see why it should be part of this forum.
    As was mentioned by @CivilDefense ; the LDS church believes in preparedness, and they encourage people to be prepared.
    I have ordered supplies from Augasun Farms, which is run by Mormons, and I think that to mention this informtion in a survival forum would be totally appropriate.
     
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  20. Deathisue

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    No, I would not like it since it is a very delicate subject and some people are or may be very susceptible to it, we all believe in something different or the same but with a different perspective, something that I learned over the years is not talk about any topic with a ideological context.
     
  21. TsuyoyRival

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    It's for me a taboo, and I say this sadly because I would like to live in a society where people could share their thoughts without hate and despise. Unfortunately, that will always exist, although the great efforts from great personalities. But as some users said, there isn't any great benefit from talking about it, so why take the risk.
     
  22. lonewolf

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    if the more religious amongst us would keep it confined to the religious threads I wouldn't care less but it never works out that way, they always seem to creep into the survival threads and that pisses me off.
     
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