Shooting In Texas: Democrat Candidates : Outlaw Assault-style Weapons

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  1. LastOutlaw

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    Here we go. Election year and one shooting in Texas Walmart. Never mind the 50 shootings a weekend in Chicago by the gang bangers that has been happening for the past 10 years.
    Dem candidates call for gun comtrol and ban of assault type weapons and even a ban on manufacture of ammo.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...l-paso-massacre-outlaw-assault-style-weapons/

    2020 Democrat Candidates React to El Paso Massacre: Outlaw Assault-Style Weapons
     
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  3. Keith H.

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    I don't think many would have complained over here at losing the AR-15s ( the one used at the Port Arthur shooting was previously in the Tasmanian Police lock up, a confiscated rifle!), But they also confiscated .22 rabbit rifles & shotguns. This is the problem I have with these sort of gun control laws, there is no sense to them, you can't tell me that flintlock, wheellock & matchlock pistols are on a restricted license for reasons of public safety! Once they get a foot in the door, anything goes, & you don't get them back!
    Keith.
     
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  4. TMT Tactical

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    The second I read about the shooting, I started a count down for the DemorRATs to demand more gun control. Countdown over, happen within minutes. Did not see any mention about Chicago, Detroit or any of the other gun control shit hole killing cities. Using the same logic and stat's the gun control freaks use, maybe we should pass special restrictive laws against minorities since most gun related crimes happen in predominate minority neighborhood or cities. Same stupid logic, just aimed at a different group.
     
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  5. LastOutlaw

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    Keith, tell me what the difference is in an AR15 and a Ruger 10-22, The most common used rabbit rifle in the US.

    You do realize that an AR15 is really a 22 rile don't you? An AR15 fires a .223 caliber round. This shooter however was not using an AR15. He was shooting an AK47.

    You are right however, once they get their foot in the door they will try as hard as they can to kick it all the way open.

    I think if a second revolution ever does get started in the US it will be over the right to bear arms. They need to be very careful what they push for as they may bite off more than they can chew.
     
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    I don't think (in the last 150 years) anyone has lived in rural Alaska or rural Canada and not owned a firearm.
     
  7. lonewolf

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    its not the guns that kills people, its the persons holding the guns that kill people.
    that's what they should be concentrating on.
     
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  8. LastOutlaw

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    This is supposedly the shooter's manifesto. It is being portrayed in MSM as a right winger's manifesto but to me it reads more like a Bernie supporter.

    https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm
    WALMART SHOOTER"S SUPPOSED MANIFESTO
    Sat Aug 03 2019 22:31:51 ET

    The Inconvenient Truth
    About Me
    In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and
    his manifesto. This attack is a response to the
    Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigator
    s, not me. I am simply defending my country from
    cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an in
    vasion. Some people will think this statement is
    hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic
    and cultural destruction brought to the Native
    Americans by our European ancestors, but this just
    reinforces my point. The natives didn’t take the
    invasion of Europeans seriously, and now what’s lef
    t is just a shadow of what was. My motives for this
    attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispan
    ic community was not my target before I read The
    Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the po
    litical and economic reasons behind the attack, my
    gear, my expectations of what response this will ge
    nerate and my personal motivations and thoughts.
    Political Reasons
    In short, America is rotting from the inside out,
    and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly
    impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our lead
    ers, both Democrat AND Republican, have been
    failing us for decades. They are either complacent
    or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the
    American public in our history. The takeover of the
    United States government by unchecked
    corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all
    the damage these corporations have caused, but here
    is what is important. Due to the death of the baby
    boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of
    the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The
    Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by
    pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open
    borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship
    and more to enact a political coup by importing and then
    legalizing millions of new voters. With policies li
    ke these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely
    become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a
    Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the
    Democrats is all it would take for them to win near
    ly every presidential election. Although the
    Republican Party is also terrible. Many factions within the Republican Party are pro-corporation. Pro-
    corporation = pro-immigration. But some factions within the Republican Party don’t prioritize
    corporations over our future. So the Democrats are
    nearly unanimous with their support of immigration
    while the Republicans are divided over it. At least
    with Republicans, the process of mass immigration
    and citizenship can be greatly reduced.
    Economic Reasons
    In short, immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America. Continued immigration will
    make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under
    two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to
    it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most
    will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting
    millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the
    United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. Invaders who also have close to
    the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America. In
    the near future, America will have to initiate a basic
    universal income to prevent widespread poverty and
    civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in
    itself is a source of civil unrest. The less depend
    ents on a government welfare system, the better. The
    lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving
    ambitions social projects like universal healthcare
    and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if
    tens of millions of dependents are removed.
    Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically don’t. They want to live the American
    Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions. This is why
    corporations lobby for even more illegal immigration even after decades of it of happening. They need
    to keep replenishing the low-skilled labor pool. Even as migrant children flood skilled jobs, Corporat
    ions make this worse by lobbying for even more work visa
    s to be issued for skilled foreign workers to come
    here. Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of
    foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support
    immigration and work visas. Corporations need to keep replenishing the labor pool for both skilled and
    unskilled jobs to keep wages down. So Automation is
    a good thing as it will eliminate the need for new
    migrants to fill unskilled jobs. Jobs that American
    s can’t survive on anyway. Automation can and would
    replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants
    were deported. This source of competition for skilled
    labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse
    for natives as they compete in the skilled job mark
    et. To compete, people have to get better credentials
    by spending more time in college. It used to be tha
    t a high school degree was worth something. Now a
    bachelor’s degree is what’s recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college
    degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted.
    This has led to a generation of indebted,
    overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs. Of course these migrants and
    their children have contributed to the problem, but are n
    ot the sole cause of it.
    The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is
    destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive
    burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by
    shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been
    a problem for decades.

    PART 2 BELOW
     
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  9. LastOutlaw

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    PART 2

    For example, this
    phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades
    old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the
    country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming
    and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste
    and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl create
    s inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how
    many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water of
    f our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my
    short life has led me to believe that the average A
    merican isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if
    the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The
    government is unwilling to tackle these issues
    beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration
    because more people means a bigger market for their
    products. I just want to say that I love the people
    of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next
    logical step is to decrease the number of people in
    America using resources. If we can get rid of enough
    people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.
    Gear
    Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) – I realized pretty quickly that this isn’t a great choice since it’s the civilian
    version of the ak47. It’s not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about
    100 shots fired in quick succession. I’ll have to use a
    heat-resistant glove to get around this.
    8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62x39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol
    hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost o
    f penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not
    nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet. The ak47 is
    definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and
    may still be with it.
    Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 – Pretty much any variation of this gun doesn’t heat up nearly as fast a
    s the
    AK47. The round of this gun isn’t designed to frag
    ment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing
    lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I
    wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is
    probably the best gun for military applications but
    this isn’t a military application.
    This will be a test of which is more lethal, either
    it’s fragmentation or tumbling.
    I didn’t spend much time at all preparing for this
    attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this
    before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no
    attack and no manifesto
    Reaction
    Statistically, millions of migrants have returned t
    o their home countries to reunite with the family t
    hey
    lost contact with when they moved to America. They
    come here as economic immigrants, not for asylum
    reasons. This is an encouraging sign that the Hispanic population is willing to return to their home
    countries if given the right incentive. An incentive that myself and many other patriotic Americans will
    provide. This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of
    millions of baby boomers. This will also make the elites that run corporations realize that it’s not i
    n their interest to continue piss off Americans. Corporate
    America doesn’t need to be destroyed, but just
    shown that they are on the wrong side of history. That if they don’t bend, they will break.
    Personal Reasons and Thoughts
    My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesn’t exist. The job of my dreams will
    likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of
    the local and state government of my beloved Texas,
    changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup
    which will hasten the destruction of our country. The environment is getting worse by the year. If you
    take nothing else from this document, remember this
    : INACTION IS A CHOICE. I can no longer bear the
    shame of inaction knowing that our founding fathers
    have endowed me with the rights needed to save
    our country from the brink destruction. Our European comrades don’t have the gun rights needed to
    repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch
    their countries burn.
    America can only be destroyed from the inside-out.
    If our country falls, it will be the fault of trait
    ors. This
    is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this
    isn’t an act of imperialism but an act of preservation.
    America is full of hypocrites who will blast my act
    ions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other
    countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause.
    People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of
    thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is
    okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd. Our government has killed a whole lot more people for a
    whole lot less. Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I can’t bring myself to kill my fellow
    Americans. Even the Americans that seem hell-bent on destroying our country. Even if they are
    shameless race mixers, massive polluters, haters of
    our collective values, etc. One day they will see error
    of their ways. Either when American patriots fail to reform our country and it collapses or when we save
    it. But they will see the error of their ways. I promise y’all that.
    I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems. Also
    because it’s completely unnecessary and selfish. 2nd and 3rd
    generation Hispanics form interracial unions
    at much higher rates than average. Yet another reason to send them back. Cultural and racial diversity
    is largely temporary. Cultural diversity diminishes as
    stronger and/or more appealing cultures overtake
    weaker and/or undesirable ones. Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will
    take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering
    all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been
    here at least as long as the whites, and have done
    as much to build our country. The best solution to
    this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each
    race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting
    each race self-determination within their respective territory(s).
    My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by
    the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of
    the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death
    penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not
    going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’
    m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.
    Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfll
    your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security
    targets. Even though you might out gun a security
    guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor,
    training and numbers. Do not throw away your life
    on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.
    My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest
    predate Trump and his campaign for president. I put
    ting this here because some people will blame the
    President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media
    will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous
    for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.
    Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just
    the beginning of the fight for America and Europe.
    I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country
    from destruction.
     
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  10. watcherchris

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    Herding...more Herding.....going after the guns of people who were not even involved. Textbook politics...herding.

    Herding like cattle...particularly people who had nothing to do with what happened in El Paso.


    Removing from people their property....when they had nothing to do with what happened.


    You have to be educated in runaway emotions to be this stupid..

    And remember...these candidates are stumping for votes ....appealing to peoples quest for security while making someone else pay for it.

    And do not kid yourself .....they will be coming for all guns...not just assault rifles. They are constantly trying to get their nose under the tent.


    " If we as Americans cannot be trusted with a gun...we will never be trusted with a Vote."


    If you think this is a joke......about not trusting Americans with guns...any guns at all..or votes....What and why do you think someone is sponsoring so much of Illegal Aliens into this country for.......for the votes.


    Guard your emotions well...and close...be very careful of someone preying on your unguarded and easily deceived emotions.

    These phony leaders on your liberties and freedoms know that they have to move quickly behind this event...in order to parasite off the immediate emotions of people who do not think...through their lives but emote....behind their television and movie educations.


    Ishmaelites run wild....


    My Non Ishmaelite .02,

    Watcherchris
     
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    who was it that said if you choose security over liberty you deserve neither?
     
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  12. LastOutlaw

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    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    Benjamin Franklin
     
  13. Old Geezer

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    This copycat shooting was generated by mainstream media providing tens of millions of dollars worth of coverage of the copycat killings preceding it. This copycat killing will be blown up by the media and published in every corner of America. The media will spend whatever it takes to make sure every crazy person released from psych wards (thanks to the ACLU) -- or known to their families as crazy people -- get daily doses of, "Kill a bunch of people and we will make sure the nation knows your name and gets to read your brilliant manifesto!" And so the cycle of death and mayhem is refreshed.

    The collectivists in the media know exactly what they are doing. This is part of the current world war against Western Culture. People like George Soros are absolutely gleeful today. Every mass-shooting is a victory for international collectivism. Big Brother grows stronger by the day.
     
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    The collectivist media keeps pre-packaged stories ready for each new mass shooting (they are generating them after all; they've spent big bucks on continuing the copycat killing convoy). A shooting occurs, names are changed in the press release to fit the current event, a button is pressed, the stories are launched. Such is the collectivist machine of death.

    University propaganda machines (professors and their political "lesson plans") also use psychological conditioning. Give thought to the propaganda phrase, "gun violence". On the campuses of almost all Western universities, independent thought is NOT permitted. The very concept of individual Liberty is vile and repugnant to the Leftist Leadership. Their "truth" is to be imposed, hard-wired into youthful brains, and enforced should the sheep dare to stray.

    So, on the evening news we'll witness "sincere" reporters bemoan the horror of "gun violence". Notice how often the media and socialist politicians repeat the two word phrase "gun violence". Think that is unplanned? If you do, I've got some waterfront property in Florida you may be interested in.

    Remember, "Life is all about sincerity. Once you learn to fake that, you've got it made."
     
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    Nearly "ALL" of what is posted above I have zero control of or any influence on. Here is what "WE" can do. Purchase more ammo, purchase more firearms, get serious about caching.

    I expect they will take the road that is easy and likely successful, that being the ammo, and components. Nothing guarantees your "Right" to have access to ammunition. My guess is that the run on ammo has started.

    Federal currently has rebates up to $500.00 on ammo....
     
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  16. LastOutlaw

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    The real scary thing about what is going on today demonizing Christians, white people, those on the right, capitalists etc is that it is so very reminiscent of what was done to the Jewish people by the Nazis.
     
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    The "false flag" questions are now coming out such as:
    How does a guy with an AK47 rifle kill 20 people and injure 30 more in under 6 minutes do so with one mag that holds 30 rounds?
    First witness reports were of at least three shooters all wearing black.
     
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  18. TexDanm

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    I am amazed that nobody shot that little bastard. All I can imagine is that Since El Paso is mostly Hispanic (76%) that they don't carry weapons as we do in the other parts of the state. The little asshat didn't even have the courage to die fighting he killed and then surrounded.

    The media needs to stop making these monsters into cultural icons. I honestly don't care what their name is. I don't care if they write manifestos. When someone does something like this they need to be REMOVED from society. Take away their name. Don't allow them to use their crimes to get their words spoken. Everyone is reading this little pricks rambling crap and all that is going to do is encourage every nut out there that wants attention to do this sort of thing.

    This is one thing that the Islamics have right. If convicted the families of his victim should be allowed to send a representative to beat him. When all of the victim's families representatives are done with him they then string him up. He should then be burned and all record of his life removed from the public conscious. We HAVE to stop making this person into martyrs and cultural heroes for the evil.
     
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    From what I gathered there was an off duty soldier in the next building who was armed but rather than go in and confront the shooter he escorted children away from the area outside. He is being hailed as a hero.
    Hero Soldier Saved Children’s Lives During El Paso Shooting
    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/201...aved-childrens-lives-during-el-paso-shooting/
     
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  20. TexDanm

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    THAT is who deserves to be made famous!! From what I understand there were a lot of HEROS but the media prefers to make the monsters into the stars. The media are a big part of the problem. In the end, they only mention the heros in passing but the monsters and the cowards get the attention.
     
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    Then there is this mess about the kid in OH that killed something like 9 or 11 people last night/ early this morning at a club. Apparently including his own sister. so not sure if that is more of a family deal than a random attack.

    On the El Paso thing I'm sort of been wondering. Just a few days ago I saw a post that ANTIFA was talking of laying siege on El Paso and causing riots for something like 10 days. then I saw some claim that post was a hoax/ Russian troll.. but then this happens like 2 or 3 days later. Not usually a conspiracy theory type but that seems to be one hell of a coincidence for timing.
     
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    Antifa did threaten to come to El Paso and protest on the border. The Lt Governor has warned them not to come to Texas.
     
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    I have to say that if I had been in that parking lot and was armed and did not go in to try to stop the shooter I would have a hard time forgiving myself.
     
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    Oh sure we'll see some of his true New Yorker values come out and be for "sensible" steps... He's as full of BS as the rest, maybe more as he's been hobnobbing and buying influence with all those idiots for 30-40 years.
     
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    I have a feeling that ninety percent of all the US Senators and Representatives don't give a damn about firearm laws one way or the other.

    Liberal politicians wouldn't be so "ban 'em all" if they weren't sucking up to anti-gun voters and lobbyists.

    Conservative politicians wouldn't be so "my cold dead fingers" if the NRA stopped donating to their re-election campaigns.
     
  27. LastOutlaw

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    Ohio shooter was an admitted leftist who disliked Donald Trump and promoted Satan and voting for Elizabeth Warren.

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/08/04/twitter-suspends-allegedly-ohio-shooter/
    Twitter Suspends Account Allegedly Linked to Ohio Shooter
    Joel B. Pollak4 Aug 20190
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    Twitter suspended an account Sunday evening allegedly linked to the gunman who killed nine and wounded dozens outside a Dayton, Ohio, bar early Sunday morning, after several reports identified the account and noted its left-wing political orientation.

    The user, “@iamthespookster,” identified as a “leftist,” according to the Twitter profile. The suspended account tweeted in support of socialism, against the election of President Donald Trump, and in favor of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) for president in 2020.

    Breitbart News obtained several screenshots from the account before it was suspended:

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    Wondering if he has ties or leaning to the Antifa crowd. Hell when Harris is to center and he considers her a cop...

    I'm not trying to make these Antifa idiots out to be the Boogyman but I think they are a lot more devious and dangerous than people give them credit for. Being leftists if they follow Rules for Radicals and some of the communist revolutionary teachings they'll start with random violence to help incite and drum up things and fan the flames from there.

    I wonder if this idiot had a clue he killed his sister.

    I've watched the video clips and it just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it was super tunnel vision on his part but as he's running up the sidewalk the cops are clearly in front of him and you see them taking up a shooting stance and yet he doesn't even glance there way, just rounds the corner on the way in the front door. Hard to believe he could have been that oblivious to 3 cops with guns drawn and pointing directly at him. I did note he was carrying left handed but I couldn't make out what weapon he had. It didn't look like an AR or HK, I thought maybe something more like a HiTech carbine. Anyone know? Anyway, his actions of running blindly into a wall of lead just seemed odd.
     
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    I would like to invite them all to a Garlic Festival.
     
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  30. duke in wales

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    All those murdered in this latest massacre are in my prayers.

    Sadly I don't see gun control happening in a significant way, its just too late now to change the mindset of some Americans. Your just going to have to live with mass homicides because they won't go away, as the saying goes "you made your bed so you lay in it"

    Lets be honest, you'd have to be a real dumb schmuck not to accept the inarguable correlation between gun ownership and death by guns, its common sense, more guns = more dead people.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/...XfegMCdVhCnyMENPUjtwFxLUKyoZCNw-wZEIuelRw42Ec is worth a read, no doubt written by some bunch of commie liberals. ;)
     
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    guns in general are one thing, but I cannot see why any civilian would need an assault rifle.
     
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    [QUOTE="duke in wales, post: 53541,

    Lets be honest, you'd have to be a real dumb schmuck not to accept the inarguable correlation between gun ownership and death by guns, its common sense, more guns = more dead people.
    I guess that makes me a dumb schmuck then . Usually these random killers are cowards looking for unarmed victims . Governments should encourage More citizen to carry hidden guns to discourage these cowardly killers .
     
  33. duke in wales

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    Schmuck is a great word, comes from the yiddish 'shmok' which means penis but in a derogatory sense :)

    Yep, to be honest if not a schmuck then like so many gun owners you have a blinkered view of the problem. Hey Ho its not my problem carry on America, I don't expect you looked at the linked article and would care to comment on its validity? No, its so much easier to come out with some glib answer like 'cowardly killers' You really need to put a big of thought into the issue at hand.
     
  34. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Duke in Wales,

    I routinely read the pulp NYT and just read the hyperlink you provided. An op-ed in yesterday's Wall Street Journal refutes the theme of the NYT hyperlink here.

    I would challenge "Yemen has the world's second highest rate of gun ownership after the United States".

    Correlations do exist. They are not necessarily causations. Add the pharma component and the stresseor triggers along with the age of the shooters. Otherwise, note that, ... and I'm not the first to point this out here at msf.com ... the Old York Times does not know the location of West Garfield Park, Chicago.

    Don't rely on the NTY to define "mental health professional" nor "mental disorder". The NYT journalists (apology to all for misusing this word) don't frequent Veterans Medical Centers for their article research.

    I personally remember HM government placed in Northern Ireland 5 Army Divisions and special units from Scotland Yard. What's the correlation ? Even a Yenter would recognize the falsified New York Times article. It's not journalism; it's partisan politics.

    Meanwhile, back at the travel agency, let's cancel our trip to Aden and go the Pakistan's Federal Administered Tribal Areas or Cyprus on either side of the Green Line.

    MSF.COM is not a Fabian outpost. We know what's really going on.
     
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  35. duke in wales

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    Northern Ireland and the beautiful island of Cyprus? I've been to both, much prefer Cyprus where you are safe either the Greek or Turkish side of the line. You should go there after your trip to Pakistan, chill out, play backgammon and sip some Raki, maybe pop over on a ferry to Israel which actually is pretty safe.

    At the peak of the 'Troubles' there were about 25K (nowhere near five divisions) of troops deployed at maximum and obviously Special Branch would be there. The only good thing to come out of the 9/11 attack was that all of a sudden Irish Americans stopped sending money back to 'the boys' in NI, America had experienced terrorism first hand.

    NYT? There must be a world wide media conspiracy against American gun regulations because I can't find one that in anyway supports the clearly broken system of gun regulation employed by the USA; in fact the only support I come across for your current system is from american gun owners.

    Makes no difference to me either way what you do, I'm not going to get shot at the supermarket, my grand children won't get shot in school et al. I'll continue to enjoy using my (legal) weapons here in the UK and leave you chaps to mourn the coming dead from the next slaughter.
     
  36. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Duke in Wales,

    Had been to all places mentioned.

    Actually, the initial attack on World Trade Center was a couple of years prior to the WTC 9-11 attack. Much politics governed the response of the initial attack.

    I'm not inta' guns but am into knowledge that the shootings and related "problems" are caused by several other "reasons".

    OK, I concede you won't get shot at the supermarket. Some years ago, an employee as Embassy of Libya, London was at an upstairs window and fired a sub machine gun at crowd below. I remember a woman police officer was killed. Recommend use prudence if/when visiting Embassy Row London. Perhaps it's better to get hurt by a motor vehicle near a tourist location. Don't blame the Americans at West Garfield Park, Chicago.

    It wasn't an op-ed but an article by Wall Street Journal columnist Holman Jenkins, Jr. It's titled "Yes, Mass Shootings Are Terrorism", subtitled "But focusing on white nationalism or even politics would miss most of them". It's in today's 7 Aug 19 Opinion section. It's a paywall paper so can't link here. Try to read.

    "Nothing vast enters the human mind without a curse." Socrates
     
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    The U.K voted to leave the E.U. but nothing happen. AND you allowed yourselves to be disarmed, so what can you do if it does not happen? You want to spend a lot of time in London and get knifed or acid tossed in your face. Once you give up your right to defend yourself, then you are just a "Victim in Waiting". When was the last time you went in those 'No Go Zones" in England?

    Now information to the less informed. AR platform rifles are not Assault Weapons. They do not have any higher rate of fire than any other semi-automatic rifle. In fact they are less lethal them many other semi-automatic rifles. The mag capacity is also a stupid argument. It has been proven time and time again that nobody is fast enough to close in on an attacker during a mag change, so there is no difference between a 5 , 10 or higher mag capacity. Again people that know nothing about a firearm talking about it.

    Now if people really want to stop these mass shooting, then eliminate "Gun Free Zones" they are just the barrels the fish are in for these cowardly shooters. You notice the attacks never take place where a bunch or armed citizens are located. Next National concealed carry, so there are more citizens available counter these nut job cowards. After that happens, improve the mental health care and make the doctors responsible for reporting and locking down these wack jobs. That argument about not being able to infringe on the the nut jobs rights does not hold water when the same politicians willing to infringe on millions of legal law abiding gun owners. Last but not least, the media needs to shame and denigrate these shooters. Blast their posts as insane stupid rantings, give then no names, just refer to them as a-hole 1 or a-hole 2. No. Do not post their pictures, no fame at all, just shame. No fame,no gain, no followers or imitators.
     
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  38. TexDanm

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    Assault rifles are not legal for civilian ownership without a special license. An assault rifle is a magazine-fed automatic weapon capable of fully automatic fire or burst fire and has a selector switch to allow you to decide how you want it to fire. In California, my 10-22 22lr squirrel gun is classified as an assault weapon. The liberals want to define any magazine-fed SEMI automatic rifle as an assault rifle. That would be like declaring any kitchen knife with a blade over 12"/ 30cm to be a sword!

    Say we give up the semiautomatic rifles... When the next killer uses an automatic shotgun they will want to ban those too. Then when they use a pump weapon or lever action they will want those too. Lonewolf, being free and able to bear arms is a lot like being a virgin. Once you give it up even once you are not a virgin anymore and once you let the government decide what weapons you need you are on the road to only kidding yourself about being free.
     
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    It was you Brits that first used an unfair collection of assault weapons and won the battle ...

    ... on St. Crispin's Day.

    Remember?
     
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  40. Old Geezer

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    700 young Americans die each year by bicycle.

    Alcohol kills 100,000/yr.

    2.5 million Americans defend their homes using firearms each year. Almost all of these incidents are NOT reported to police. I kept a guy out of my house one night via a sermon. A shotgun was my Dark Bible. Its unHoly presence gave the felon religion. He got in his disabled car and drove off.

    Americans of European descent have the same violent crime rates as those living in Europe who are of European descent. Sweden is getting hand-grenade and assault rifle attacks due to immigrant gangs. Sweden is not alone among European nations in this regard.

    Though I'm no fan of "assault rifles", they would provide aid in any guerrilla war against a U.S. Constitution-burning collectivist Amerikan regime. I feel that precision rifles would be better. I can see people hot-wiring heavy construction equipment, aiming the equipment's path towards electrical power stations, and jumping off before the beasts crush the transformers. There are all manner of ways of conducting a pro-Constitution conflict without "assault rifles", but again, they could help. Most people who own these weapons are cops, retired cops, military, and ex-military. These folk might just get a bit upset when they see the Big Brother socialists burning our Flag, our Constitution, and the Holy Books of God. Comes a time to fight.
     
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    I agree mental health needs to be focused on but I'm not really of mind to let the govt define and dictate that any more than I'm open to them messing with laws around firearms. A concern with respect to the mental health side is that not everyone is a "nutjob" that would be impacted. Many of these proposed laws would require a Vet who has been diagnosed with PTSD as at risk and required to turn in their firearms. Or maybe someone is having a rough patch and goes to see a Doc about say depression - medical diagnosis by a mandatory reporter and *poof* away go your guns.

    How many hoops and how long do you think it will take a person to "prove" their sanity and that they can be "trusted"; how much will they have to go thru to then convince some power hungry bureaucrat to "give them" their right and guns back. "Ohh so sorry, but we put you on the lifetime ban list and destroyed all your weapons, here's a $10 card to Walmart to compensate you."
     
  42. LastOutlaw

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    I surely don't care what a Brit has to say about my firearms. Especially a socialist leftist Brit.

    brits.jpg

    You should probably worry about the Muslims who are knifing everyone on your streets shouldn't you? I've heard you all are now protesting for knife control.
     
  43. Old Geezer

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    Maybe we shouldn't have defended Britain during WWII. During the Lend/Lease program we sent the unarmed Brits the weaponry they needed. After WWI, they had castrated themselves; the people were unarmed sheep, so we helped sew their pretties back on.

    Had we stayed out of the war and worked 24/7 on thermonuclear weaponry, we could have bided our time, then struck Germany. We could have turned all of their cities, all of their factories, all of their military into black shadows. And if their citizens went away, then so what; they murdered Jewish women and children -- I'd call that some seriously dark Karma. Payback is hell.

    Cooking a couple of Japanese cities saved my father-in-law's life.

    Look at Europe now. Weak. Honor-less. More dissipated than Sodom and Gomorrah. Was it worth all of our American dead? Maybe a Just Creator will visit a plague on Europe that will kill more than just 1/3 of their population. Maybe the Big Guy in the sky will hit the Big Red Reset Button. No one over there believes He exists. Screw'em.

    If quality Brits wanted to get out of their commie country, we Patriots here in America would welcome them. Better that than the hyper-aggressive varmints we are getting flooded with now.
     
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    He was carrying an AR pistol with an arm brace on it.

    [​IMG]
     
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    When I get a moment I'll read, contemplate and reply but on quick glance this article is from the NY Times, better known on this side of the pond as the NY Slimes, mainly for it's slanted, dare I say garbage reporting of anything not in line with the progressive socialist agenda. But I'll choke thru their dribble and try to give an honest response and challenge to the points and information given.

    From the quick look I did see the bubble graph at the top and the numbers struck me. A little quick math I get that the ratio between the US and "other countries" between gun density vs incident rate, we're actually lower.

    Check my math and maybe I'm off as it's later and has been a very long day. If I take the 270mil guns (I believe that number is actually low and probably more in excess of 350-400mil) and divide that by the 46mil guns they offer up for the highest countries we get a ratio of 5.87mil. So we take that number and multiply the 18 mass shooter events in those countries and to me it looks like to be on par with them we should have experienced over 106 incidents, which we haven't. Again I'm tired so maybe my math or logic is incorrect but we can discuss if so.

    I have to ask, as I don't stay up on it, but I do keep seeing headlines about the problems with knife attacks and stabbings in the UK. At current, what is the incident rate of knife attacks and stabbings in the UK?
     
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    In France, one of the members of the religion of peace drove a huge delivery truck into a crowd of civilians out having a pleasant evening ... well, they planned on having a pleasant evening.

    86 killed, 458 injured, rather impressive if you ask me

    Do you have cargo trucks in Wales? How about tankers? Big tanker truck empty of fuel but containing some O2 tanks dropt in. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztt OOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!

    In our country, a fellow named Timmy used fertilizer and fuel oil to make the Murrah Fed. building go bye-byes. The BATF and FBI were watching him (got a xmitter on at least one of his rented trucks, intercepted one truck at a road rest-stop; it was empty, Timmy had scammed them) and his helper still got the deed done (156 killed). OK, so they both ended up ambient temperature, but before he went, Timmy got his point across ... without an "assault rifle".
     
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  48. duke in wales

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    And your point Geezer is?
     
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    Just to clarify TMT there really are no such things as "no go zones" anywhere in the UK, they were invented by president trump as part of an intentionally offensive (and ill informed) tirade against the mayor of London. The U.K. Has its problems and its failings but in context these problems are nowhere near as bad as portrayed by the media. The way crime figures are recorded and published can be misleading.
     
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    whilst in general I agree with the above, I think you may find that travelling through some of the more militant Muslim areas would cause some "difficulties".
    and the number of stabbing murders in London and other places would also add to this.
    I do not think the Mayor of London is up to the job, he seems to be more interested in photo opportunities and media appearances.
     
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