The Coming Starvation

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  1. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna,

    You did describe "the equivalent thereof". There were those living in Djakarta who lived without livestock. The fishing villages had small dwellings without livestock, to include chickens.

    One point I note here at Forum, is the use of words used with definitions not standard here. To an American audience, a "duffel bag" is the ~ 1 and a third meter tall cotton or nylon canvas bag. A larger bag is the "parachute bag". There are now many commercial bags - typically of nylon - called "duffels" but they are small.

    In a standard US Army duffel bag, I can load well-packed, healthy foods that would last much more than a week. Some of the empty containers from consumption are usable for additional purposes.

    The pocket stove with 3-4 tubes of hex fuel go in the field jacket or cargo vest pocket.

    In your second duffel bag - US Army size - goes the pot, pan, espresso maker, - all wrapped with towels or extra clothes or 2 tube tents.

    In your small apartment, could you not place under the bed mattress or sleeping mat about 30 -40 boxes of canned groceries for consumption when sheltering in place ?

    Don't forget 2 good quality can openers and a few "P-38" military can openers. Swiss Army knives of multi-tool models have a can opener as one of the gadgets.

    Consider a servant or girlfriend for an evacuation...economies of scale plays out well for all.

    You can do the proper preparedness - and the cost is little. 30-40 boxes of canned foods will be consumed before 2 monsoon cycles.
     
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  2. varuna

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    One of the duffels is standard issue. I don't have the exact measurement but I'm confident it is roughly similar to US standard issue (also in olive drab). While the other one is smaller commercial. I also put clothing article in the standard issue bag along with 2 (two) standard issue 24hour kit ration (which took space), along with commercial; (supermarket) foods, essential electronics (also took space). The rest of items including in the smaller bag are commercial (supermarket) just add hot water kind of foods, and critical paper documents. The main reason for choosing the approach is because my line of thinking has always based upon mobility, also I'm uncertain at which location I might be stuck during SHTF. Unfortunately during this time of the Great Plague such line of approach do seem to be unsuitable, because there isn't any place I could go :(

    Just in case your wondering what in the standard issue 24hour kit. I only have 2 set of this kind, because in most case I don't even need them.



    Unfortunately there isn't any space under the bed. And beside this is full furnished & full service apartment type, it came with all the furniture & appliances.

    GF live in her own place, although she stay with me half of the week. And she is not the type into prepping kind. In fact she rarely receive any direct sunlight unto her skin because her activity are mostly from one building to another. She just hop into awaiting car from the building lobby to another.

    Mostly its the space I do not have :(. I even doesn't have solution for sanitary water (shower & flushing), and power (portable generator is kept elsewhere, and it for business purpose)
     
  3. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    Now I understand the difficulties you face as a self-described poor person in a developing nation.

    Only half a week with girlfriend means half a week of suffering. Most Americans here don't know what you're going through.

    The complications of housing is not a new event. A fully furnished and full service small apartment with shortage of water and electric problems is not just complicated; it's a complex situation. Had initially thought you were living in a small place with only walls, a sink ... My memories of apartment living and what TexDanm described here, well, somewhat different.

    Prepping requires both rehearsed plans for evacuation and a setup for sheltering in place.

    Perhaps a reevaluation is needed for "2 (two) standard issue kit ration..." that's space intensive. For an evac you might not need melons and deserts. Consider healthy, well packed plastic jars of tree nuts, individually-wrapped trail bars, etc. Standard issue kit rations OK only if you've got a large support system. Standard issue anything is not the best - nor the best priced.

    You know your situation and environment best. Here it is different. A portable generator stored elsewhere - whether in a nearby mini-warehouse or Fak Fak, Irian Java translates to being the same. It is unavailable for Prepper planned use. It's like having a Folker seaplane waiting to take you and girlfriend to a safe destination but, like the generator, there is no seaplane available.

    Perhaps a reevaluation of your housing arrangements might be worth considering.

    Madam Prag, like girlfriend, is not into Prepping. That's why I feel like a pack mule. Madam Prag does appreciate the extra batteries and plastic-aluminum individual pouch chocolate bars I carry.

    Meanwhile, here in the advanced-development First World, getting a 24/7 girlfriend takes more than reevaluations.
     
  4. varuna

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    Indeed its hard & difficult to be living under $6 / day :(. I even resorting to eating dogs, fruit bat, insects, and reptiles on more than an occasion :( Poor me

    Actually my secondary dwelling (where I currently wrote this) is something similar to that (even less)

    The standard issue kit is more for just in case and force of habit. The rest of my foods are commercial off the supermarket shelf items. But finding any packed foods that is friendly to my gastric acid is also a problem on its own :(

    There is the $ issue and convenient about that :(

    Trying to explain the necessity of prepping to my GF would result in “Nur Bahnhof verstehen” according to her :(

    If she like the extra battery, you might wanna try use this. This type of power bank is what I currently use. It has max capacity to be allowed to fly in commercial scheduled flight anywhere in the world

    Anker PowerCore+ 20100 USB-C

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    And why is that? :confused: Its not like there is any legal ramification (domestic / civil union / inheritance) is it not? :confused:
     
  5. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna,

    Perhaps an entire reevaluation with a new POA&M - Plan of Action and Milestones is needed. Living under $6/day involving a secondary dwelling - not knowing the specifics of P3 - all this cannot be discussed in a meaningful way.

    Gastric acid health matter, the previously mentioned depression, smoking (although excellent to keep mosquitoes away) are probably all related [FN 1].

    Girlfriend selections are not my specialty. I've had GFs who could max out a credit card faster than you can prepare a meal of insects. My problem was that these GFs were worth it. Over the time span, I've heard the line "Nur Bahnhof verstehen".

    A commercial airline scheduled flight approximates a building elevator: traps for the duration. Depleted batteries - I avoid rechargeables for evacs - are ditched and thus reducing weight / volume in loadout. The Ankor Power invites criminals combined with the weight that would be better allocated to a RX pharma like Paregoric USP for stomach ailments while in evac mode and the inherent stress of changing from the routine.

    No, legal aspects of girl friends in US are nominal. Our national politicians provide illustrations. The major aspect is - money - more than $6/day P3 combined with not being able to have any credit cards in wallet - nor cash.

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    [1] For as wisdom grows, vexation grows,
    To increase learning is to increase heartache.
    ECCLESIASTES 1:18

    [2] Inherent FN: Your situation and environment is not much different that other Forum Members here. It's an internal matter to address and rectify. You can do it when you decide to start.

    ......

    Transmitting from "Been There, Done That".
     
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  6. poltiregist

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    I don't know if the commercial is for real . My wife likes to watch the weather channel on the television and they keep playing this add supposedly directed from POTUS . They claim he is asking the public their opinion on opening the U.S. back up for business or sheltering in place to slow the virus spread . If this add is for real it shows where we are really at in the U.S. -- Everyone return to work with many getting sick and dying with the virus escalating or shelter in place and watch the economy to continue to collapse and the supply chain to continue to splinter and break apart creating food shortages . I certainly don't have the answer , if this question is for real . Either action taken , the results are bad for the average citizen . The ones handling this spiral downwards the best will be the prepper / survivalist whom prepared for the long haul .
     
  7. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    I can guess that the weather channel Madam Polt is watching will be used for 2 things: 1. to mold public opinion and 2. to obtain focus groups for study.

    Yes, all reopening of the economy is a trade-off.

    It is the average citizen that caused the problem; didn't participate in the military, didn't participate in the local vol fire dept, didn't participate in the police department's auxiliary, never attended a local political meeting - the place was "taken over" by the socialists - and not just locally: throughout the fruited plain.

    The non-average citizens, such as Preppers, are in relatively good shape. The average stupid citizen can go to the hospital and in the parking lot get more infections than arrived with.

    My headaches here are governmental. Our Governor, a medical doctor, doesn't want us senior citizens / vintage Virginians to go out - yet he and our Congressional delegation did not get Post Office hours changed - nor the county dump's hours during this declared emergency.

    Still don't know the current definition of "medical waste" and it's proper disposal. Back here we need a political leader who is also a medical doctor ...... sorry, bad example.

    I learned more about this stuff in the Boy Scouts in the 1950s.
     
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  8. poltiregist

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    Yesterday listening to my shortwave radio , I put it for a while on FM . Advertisement for a grocery store by the store owner - Pork and poultry prices have increased dramatically since the supply chain failure but that pales in comparison to the increase in beef prices . The price the store owner quoted would mean beef prices over the last three months or so has increased about six fold over that time frame . We will not be buying beef at that price but will be filling the freezers with wild game this fall .
     
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  9. lonewolf

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    complete opposite over here, other meats are doing okay but beef prices have collapsed due to the closure of restaurants and takeaways during the covid-19 lockdown, excess beef is being sold off through the supermarkets-cheap.
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    Might make one buy another chest freezer. Yet another reason to have a big generator.

    Or one could make-up a bunch of beef jerky.

    https://www.instructables.com/id/Beef-Jerky-on-the-BBQ/
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      Got two of them, full of meat and veg.
       
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  11. poltiregist

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    Sixty percent of meat plant workers in a Tyson plant in Iowa have tested positive for the Corona Virus . Despite the governments efforts many meat processing workers refusing to return to work . Source " Organic Prepper ". The politicians are not likely to mention this in their pep rally speeches .
     
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  12. poltiregist

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    On April 18th I put out a warning to you guys , that saturated commercial farm fields may not be plantable this year "posted on this thread ". Today may 19th this information has been picked up by some news outlets . That is why staying informed through this prepper / survival site can be significant . Staying ahead of the sheeple and taking prudent actions to stay ahead of the unprepared is important . I seek my information on the future from unconventional sources . I want to know what is coming before it hits the main stream news outlets .
     
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      I listened and got stocked up. Please continue to share, from your sources. Being grown up people, we can each decide to listen or not. It certainly worked out well for my family. Thanks for sharing.
       
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  13. Overwatch

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    Well canada piplines are presently heading to north Dakota. the intention is to fill the old empty wells. If filled they will store Crude that lasted for 40 years. It will take 6 years running 24/7 to fill them. After that dont worry Canada has more oil than you can ever use. No relay its almost everywhere under Alberta and Saskatchewan. It was once an ocean floor
     
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  14. poltiregist

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    Chilean military deploying tanks and troops as starving protesters come out of homes confronting the government . --- In Brazil mobs of starving people marched on Governor's palace demanding food . Citizens hanging red cloths outside their homes to signify hunger . " source ZeroHedge " . Those on here that think that can not happen where they live might want to reassess .
     
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  15. poltiregist

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    Impoverished countries that depend on a food handout from generous countries , may not receive this year as to what they have become accustomed to . Global food supply is on life support and peoples income diminished or non-existent . Some global populations have become accustomed to free stuff and just lay around and make more hungry children , expecting another country to feed those children . --- Countries whom depend on imported food may see that source become non-existent . --- Those that depend mainly on gardening may have to sleep in those gardens to keep starving people from raiding their garden during the night . --- Alarming " to me " was another thread we had , was the number of members we have on here , whose plan during a crises " was to steal " their way to survivability . That thread seemed to have gotten some members angry so I will not try to resurrect it . One thing though " you can not steal what isn't there " .
     
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    people that steal in a post SHTF world will find they are dangling from a long rope strung from a tall tree.
     
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    While that is true of individuals or two or three thieves post SHTF there will be a need for vigilance against larger "mobs" not quite the right term maybe. Once starvation starts but before a large die off happens, big groups of people will get worked up into a frenzy, and instead of rioting may begin raiding every building they come across in search of food. A very good reason to stay far away from high population areas.
     
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    An already crippled nation from the Corona Virus , lock downs , saturated commercial farm fields , supply chain crippled limiting what reaches grocery stores , already 50 % percent of small businesses predicted to never reopen , Unemployment money drying up , States on the verge of filing bankruptcy , inflation free to run rampant as the U.S. Government creates phony money , Airlines barley functioning , Auto industry collapsing , China products being shunned and now these idiot Democrat run cites burning down and destroying their own strongholds . No doubt they will expect Republican run states to come to their rescue when " or if " the smoke from burning cites diminish . A nation can not survive such lunacy . The food supply chain , mail supply chain will soon be a lot worse. The first to feel the food hunger pains will be in those idiotic Democrat Cites .
     
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  19. poltiregist

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    The food supply problem the planet saw a few weeks ago and still causing problems was just a wobbly wheel . The wheels are fixing to come off . Between now and November 2020 the One World Globest will be working hard to destroy the planet with the hopes of a coup of Donald Trump . Our non- U.S. members have been feed so much crap by fake / communist news outlets most do not understand were the truth lies . It is not just U.S. politics in play . This is a planetary communist take over attempt . The Globlest main obstacle right now is Donald Trump . They have to take him out to proceed with taking over the planet . Starving the little people , burning down their own cites or spreading the Corona Virus is all acceptable to the Democrat / Communist / Globalst if it will help them achieve their One World Order dream . Time is running out for those planning to prepare but have so for not done so .
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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    It sure isn't just Trump. All across Western nations, the mass of mature/responsible people are deeply fed-up with Leftist policies. The English are voting-in conservatives. The EU is angry at nations refusing to take in refugees.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40259268

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...Turkey-for-using-refugees-to-blackmail-Europe

    The elitists who support collective control over the unwashed masses are FURIOUS about this and are preparing to take-down the West if it will not capitulate to their socialist edicts. It has been said for decades and decades that "universities are the last bastion of communism", however the international mind-numbingly rich oligarchs are willing to fund this war against capitalism, religion, and Liberty itself. Thus comes another world war. Who knows just how hot it will get.
     
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  21. poltiregist

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    Ground beef about three months ago was selling here for between two and three dollars a pound . Today ground beef is selling here for over eighteen dollars a pound . Likely the price will even grow higher .
     
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  22. poltiregist

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    This thread was started on March 25 - 2020 . Yesterday June 3 2020 I heard the United Nations repeated exactly what was being said on this thread . Perhaps they decided monitoring this site was in the best interest of the planet .;) Or perhaps we are simply way ahead of the Sheeple . Either way a good reason to be a member . The United Nations prediction -33 million people are expected to starve to death in 3rd world countries due to the reasons given on our above posts :eek: .
     
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  23. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Overwatch,

    https://www.energy.gov/fe/services/petroleum-reserves/naval-petroleum-reserves


    Had missed this 19 May post.

    The US is already loaded with reserve supplies of petroleum. We have more than Saudi Arabia and Iran combined.

    It's about pricing.

    Canadian bitimen was for both the US and Asian market. Legal costs re the formerly named TransCanada Pipeline price it out of the US market (Forgot new name of pipeline). The New York stuff was made environmentally unfriendly (and highly flammable) because it interferes with New York mercantile market "arrangements".

    Remember the Naval Petroleum Reserves ? Teapot Dome was the nation's largest political scandal until replaced by Watergate. Elk Hills Reserve Number 1, of Harry Sinclair fame, is still there. There are others.

    Above link tells of US Government benevolence in assisting the private sector.

    Our problem is the FDR welfare state distorting the market economy to the point it no longer exists. It's less about energy supplies. South of me is the largest concentration of nuclear power plants there is: on USN ships.

    MAGA.
     
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  24. Morgan101

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    Well here is one reason: https://www.mashed.com/227519/the-real-reason-theres-an-aluminum-can-shortage/

    More people at home are buying more product. Manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up. The beverage companies are dedicating manufacturing capacity their highest selling brands, and leaving the slow sellers off the schedule. Supply has not caught up with demand.

    Nothing I have read says there is a shortage of aluminum.
     
  25. F22 Simpilot

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    So we have the fourth horsemen I see...
     
  26. lonewolf

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    33 million-is that all? on a planet with 7.7 BILLION thats not a heck of a lot.
     
  27. poltiregist

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    The last report I received , " China" in a desperate attempt to get food has sent a huge fleet of commercial fishing vessels to invade Ecuador water to scoop up fish off the Galapagos islands . This shows the food desperation in China . One report this fleet containing about 250 commercial fishing vessels is a only about 20 miles away from entering Ecuador waters . A shooting situation may develop . -- The Chinese can't wait any longer with the hopes they can get Joe Biden as a figure head in the U.S. so they can pillage the U.S. for its resources . --- After China realizes Donald Trump will remain in office for several more years - What will be their next desperate move ?
     
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  28. poltiregist

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    I am receiving reports of empty shelves at WallMart again . Not as bad YET as a few months ago . An interesting read on this subject in the Organic Prepper . November 3 is till in the future but we can expect the empty shelves next month to make the past empty shelf syndrome to be only a warm up for 2021 . Th next supply chain failure upcoming occurrence will be likely much more sever and lasting at minimum of one year . My group is prepped and ready for the possible food store closings . Are you prepared ? The U.S. exports a lot of the global food , so a shortage in the U.S. means a global food shortage .
     
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  29. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Poltiregist,

    Aldi grocery store has some items with the limit 1, limit 2 restrictions.

    Walmart is still with an empty shelf of where 4 pound boxes of baking soda were stocked. The store clerks say the deliveries of baking soda are uncertain.

    Regardless, we're ready here.
     
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  30. TexDanm

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    I am very fortunate. I am not poor anymore. I was raised sort of poor and have been very poor myself for about a year. I started "preparing" nearly 50 years ago and even when I was young and single I always had enough food on hand to eat for at the very least a month or two. One thing that makes this easy for me is that I like simple foods. We eat a lot of beans, rice, soups and stews and like that sort of food. I have nearly always had a 5-gallon bucket of beans and another of rice. With a BB gun I can provide meat from birds to add to the stuff that I always have in the form of dried easily stored things.

    It also helps that 25 or 30 years ago I moved from a large city and into a rural area. There are more ponds, lakes, creeks, and rivers around me than I can count plus thousands of cattle, chickens, goats, and hogs both domestic and feral. I moved my family here specifically in order to be safe and prepared for what I suspected even them was an inevitable apocalypse. We are beyond any regular level of preparation. I have enjoyed my preparations. It is a hobby that I have never tired of.

    My wife and partner of 45 years is as into this sort of thing as I am and now with my kids and grandkid living in the same place that I live my preparations will serve another generation. They won't have my skill sets but they can learn and will have the tools to get along in a world without power or running water. When they moved here we installed a 1500 gallon tank that is kept full all the time from roof runoff. Water will never be an issue. We also have a very small pond that will keep the critters watered. We have gardens and pens even though we currently don't have chickens, ducks, or pigs but we can get them any time and already are set up for them because we have had them before.

    It wasn't an easy move. I left behind everyone that I ever knew, all of my family and friends, a lost my home and came here with my job 90 miles oneway away from my new home. It was ROUGH. My wife started a new job and career and I really wasn't sure what I was going to do. Driving 180 miles every day was exhausting and expensive. The thing was that we had a plan and the first step of that plan was to get out of the area we were living in. It was going to hell fast and now has one of the highest murder rates in the US.

    We were POOR for a while but over time we bounced back. If you are in a place that you DO NOT feel safe living in then you need to make a plan and start doing things. I started with tools, guns, ammo, and all sorts of basic survival plans. When we decided to move we carefully picked our destination. It wasn't easy or always pleasant but I never regretted the move. The apocalypse never came and if it does now I am past surviving for long but my family will survive and in the end that is all that matters really.
     
  31. F22 Simpilot

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    Don't worry everyone. Amazon Prime day is just six days away and the masses will have their toilet paper in hand. I hear it has great nutritional value...
     
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  32. poltiregist

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    Another wave of food shortages seem to be ramping up with a possible difference this time of it not ending for years " if ever " . Coming to me yesterday was to expect a flour shortage . This may be akin to the paper shortage we just seen . A couple of reasons for this that has nothing to do with the Chinese virus and collapsing food chain . My information was Russia normally exports a LOT of wheat each year . This year they are not exporting any . Second reason , the United States also a wheat exporter will not be exporting as much wheat as usual this year . --- This correlates to not only bagged flour for those biscuits , it effects all products made with flour such as pizzas , donuts , spagettie , noodles some livestock feeds , unsure of bagged dog feed and so forth . This shortage will be basically seen over the entire planet . Of course this is only the beginning but I thought I would give you guys a heads up .
     
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  33. F22 Simpilot

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    I doubt it for four reasons:

    1) The whole of the mid west is this country's bread basket and can and will sustain its self not including reserves.

    2) The president can make sure farmers produce and other things to insure there is a supply.

    3) China and/or Russia have no bearing on this country's food production if Trump has anything to say about it.

    4) A vaccine is just right around the corner.
     
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  34. poltiregist

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    I bought a supply of flour and vacum sealed it today in inticipation of S.H.T.F . From past experience I know the yeast in it will be good for about a year . The wife says 2 years . The last batch I put up lasted about 7 years but needed a yeast or baking powder added as it grew older . One of my favorite foods is homemade biscuits and gravy . The flour biscuits will keep you full longer than most foods so a few biscuits in the morning and I am good untill dark . --- I finished building a permanent place for my grain grinder today and got it set up and ready for the collapse . A manuel hand grinder made of cast iron . ---I stockpiled a supply of over the counter medicine today . I have months of coffee on hand bought locally but decided some extra nice coffee to sit back sip and watch the country collapse would be nice , so I just ordered via computor some whole coffee beans to put through my grain grinder . Whether the mail order coffee will be able to reach me before the supply chain disintgegrates , I don't know but decided i would try . I don't expect the violence to reach me for months if ever but the disruption of the supply chain could be effecting everyone very quickley .
     
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  35. lonewolf

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    the problem with storing flour is it always smells meally after a short while.
     
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  36. poltiregist

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    I can only speak from my personal experience . I fudged and drew Down the age , of flour that I have eaten to not overstate . I had hundreds of pounds of flour stored that we were eating on that surpassed the 7 year mark that I earlier stated . I will AGREE the old flour was not of the quality of fresh flour . However it really wasn't that bad either . Then again we are not spoiled and do not have to dine on top of the line foods . From a preppers view point for a S.H.T.F. scenario I consider flour an excellent item to store . For the dollar spent and amount of food received in return , it is in my opinion one of the best investments a prepper could make " when it comes to stored food " --- If anyone else on here has eaten old flour I would be interested in knowing how old the flour was and its eatable condition .
     
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  37. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    I've had real old rice flour. It reminded me, tastewise, of the saki wine.

    No problems expereienced and I'm still here.
     
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    China has now admitted they have a food problem . There is not enough food to feed their citizens . The chinese government has now launched a campaign requesting their citizens to put themselves on HALF RATIONS . source "The Organic Prepper ".--- Also addressed in the article is the coming food shortage coming to the rest of the planet . -- No doubt China is desperatly eyeing other nations that they can exploit their food resources and carry the loot back to their own hungry population . --- Perhaps this had something to do with China shoveling billions of dollars to the Biden's personal bank accounts . --- Here in the U.S. , first they have NOW targeted our amo and now they are coming for the food . -- I wouldn't want to be a sheeple in the upcoming teotwawki .
     
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  39. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    It's already started.

    I know China leased farmland in Tajikistand and Kyrgystan. The lease allows for the use of Chinese farmers.

    I don't know about the SEA countries but can guess Vietnam with a twice a year rice harvest - 3 when using fertilizer - ......

    China does purchase US grains but its mainly for their pig farms.
     
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  40. poltiregist

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    I have been told that China also has farm land leased in the United States . Under the Biden plan they will likely greatly expand Chinese farms in the United States with crops grown , harvested and exported to China using Chinese slave labor . As Stalin did in Ukraine the people living in the farm belt may starve as the crops are hauled away to feed those deemed more worthy . For those that think that is a ridiculous statement look at the reteric we are hearing from the Democrat Leadership about punishing Trump Supporters as they dance around thinking their Coup plan has been successful . --- When I started this thread last march I know I had some that didn't believe , One member stated " it is not going to happen " . Probably other completely wrong responses but I am not going to review all the posts . Now China is on Half Rations and shelves in the United States and around the globe getting more bare as the days slide by . What us preppers know is this " is only the beginning " .
     
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  41. watcherchris

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    Been wondering for years with the big ??? Question Mark in the back of my mind....

    At what point will it become very dangerous to deadly to go to the grocery stores for what little they have????

    Will you need someone riding shotgun???

    Ishmaelites run wild...

    Watcherchris
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    by Pragmatist...

    Did not the Chinese some time back buy out Smithfield Packing???


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  43. Pragmatist

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    Good evening Poltiregist and Watcherchris,

    Polt, yes, your colleague source is correct.

    Watcherchris, Some time ago I posted something about this sale by Smithfield. Did not mention, nor know about, the US farmland that was part of the contract. Obviously, it was approved in 2013 since ag land requires USDA signoff.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/05/27/723501793/american-soil-is-increasingly-foreign-owned

    This link tells of the Smith Food sale and mentions the 146, 000 acres to China as part of the contract.

    Smithfield was/is - I forgot the statistic - the world's largest hog producer as a private company.
     
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  44. TexDanm

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    We got our shipment of TP from Amazon this week.

    Starvation has more to do with ignorance than shortage. Unless you live in a desert that is almost totally barren you should be able to find enough to eat. I mentioned in an earlier post that we have a LOT of feral hogs here. You can eat most of what those hogs are eating. If you educate yourself in what there is available where you live you will be pretty much safe from starvation. Millions WILL starve, not because there is no food but because they won't eat what IS available. When I say that you won't starve that does not mean that you are going to be eating prime rib and canned soups. The hogs do quite well on roots, grubs, worms, and the many various seed pods. In a bind, they eat the inner bark off of the evergreen trees. They will also hunt and kill things to eat. I have seen them kill and eat a dog that was stupid and got too close barking at a herd of them.
     
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    Best to store wheat berry then grind as needed.
     
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    Packaged yeast may have a shelf life of a couple of years but a dough start can last for centuries. My Mom baked bread and biscuits with a start that originated from her Grandmother at LEAST. She kept it warm and covered and would feed it occasionally. When she baked she would save a little of the dough for a new start.

    There used to be sourdough starts that were kept alive and pass on from generation to generation for centuries. You didn't go and buy yeast. If yours died you borrowed a start from someone else. I remember eating biscuits that came from starts that went to the Klondike and then came back with people and were handed down to the near present. Each start offered a very slightly different flavor. The starts for some rolls at good restaurants were carefully guarded.

    Yeast are little living creatures and can be raised and kept much like chickens or any other sort of livestock.
     
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    More about yeasts... there are so many things that people eat and drink that could not exist without yeasts. Buttermilk and all of the various cheeses are the results of different yeasts doing their work. Without them, all you end up with is rotten milk. All forms of alcoholic beverages are the result of the work of different varieties of yeast. Vinegar is made by a combination of bacteria and yeast. reading up and learning about yeast is far better than trying to store dry yeast and then hope that it will start when you need it.
     
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  48. poltiregist

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    A few years back my grandson would be at my house around daybreak to drink coffee most mornings and we would discuss survival and prepping issues . One of our endeavors was saving and regenerating yeast . We would go to my nearby wood stove / oven build a fire and practice making biscuits using our own yeast in preparation for the collapse . Those early morning meetings changed his life forever . Part of our discussions was airplanes . Today he is one of the youngest pilots at his college 17 years old and very far ahead of the rest of his class .
     
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    I was fortunate when I was young in that I like to hang with older people. so much of what we discuss as survival skills were just life for them. One old friend told me about riding down near the coast to work in the Cyprus industry. This was about a 200-mile trip and much of it was through virgin pine forests. He did this when he was 16 and told me about it when I was 16 and he was 96. That made him doing it in the late 1880s or very early 1890s. His entire kit included a Winchester rifle in 32-20, a belt knife, a bedroll with a tarp, a tinder box, a spoon, and a cast iron pot. The trip took him almost two weeks.

    So many of my old friends lived the life that we are preparing for and didn't consider it a big thing.
     
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    Wow Texdanm...reading you post above caused me to reach across my computer table for my Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading to look up the .32-20 tables..

    Alliant 2400 and IMR 4227 powders...H11o too.

    Going back to the black powder days and carried on into the smokeless generations...that was olde school.

    But perfectly suitable for someone who knows how to work within the limitations/performance of that load.

    A bit faster than todays .357 Magnum...and also available back then in pistol.

    Seems to me I've heard Olde Timers talking about a caliber called 25-20 and also the 32=20.

    But yes...agree...I could see where many of them did not consider those difficulties of which you outlined to be a big thing.



    I have been quietly been stocking up two lockers at work with foods...long shelf life foods and canned goods since some time in Aug/Sept with a view to chaos around this election....
    Was not thinking so much about the C19 ....but am working on it.
    Was thinking that conditions among the two legged wildlife got so stupid that It became dangerous to go home ...you never know..

    Nonetheless..it was interesting to travel down memory lane in the reloading book...thanks,

    Watcherchris
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      My dad's dad carried a 32-20 revolver. He's borned early 1890s. These were transition cartridges 32-20, 38-40, them. Loaded first in black powder, later smokeless. You know all about this stuff. Me, what I don't know is whether Pap shot a guy through his scrote with his 32-20 or with the pretty little .32 nickel Smith he'd stick in his belt when I was his little bestest-buddy (he died when I was six). I'm now coming up on the age he died, therefore I will soon ask him myself.
       
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