The Pandemic.

Discussion in 'The Apocalypse' started by Keith H., Mar 24, 2018.

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  1. poltiregist

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    I will step a little sideways and post something that likely is not worthy of its own thread . I just got off the phone with another prepper . He has been banned from Face Book for a week , but this isn't the first time . Probably listed in a category something like " code red " . They went back over a year trying to find a post they could ban him on . Many more of his contacts were also banned . The reason Face Book gave " they were spreading false rumors about the virus " . Does this sound like China's Communist Government's policy ? Reportedly the comments they made were taken from major news sources . I just thought I would give a heads up to you guys because this site might be targeted for banning to those that don't conform to the governments propaganda outlet .
     
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  2. TMT Tactical

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    Dumped Facebook a longtime ago.
     
  3. TexDanm

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    I thought that this was interesting.
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  4. TexDanm

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    Never go to Facebook nor do I twitter or do any other shallow water texting.
     
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  5. LastOutlaw

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    I found a graphic too! This one shows you the levels of safety in greeting others.

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  6. lonewolf

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    we have seen in different places and different countries people fighting over toilet paper.
    this disease will go down in the history books as "the age of the toilet paper wars"!!!
     
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  7. Old Geezer

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    Oh, by the way ...

    The Leftist press and communist campuses are now using the term "novel Covid-19" -- and oh how they use it over and over and over. It has become yet another one of their indoctrination harangues.

    If you use the term "Chinese Caronavirus" or "Chinese Covid 19", then you are an oppressor, a bigot, and in general, you are deplorable.

    Yes, more proof that there are two separate groups of Americans. The U in USA should be dropped. We are anything but united. There exists now open hatred between the two Americas.

    I am routinely verbally assaulted at work for having Libertarian leanings. Because I support some of Trump's policies, that means that I support the machine-gunning of Hispanic immigrants. Trump is excoriated every day by one person in management. This person is allowed to do so due to being female and a member of a minority group -- she could stomp a baby to death in the hallway and not be fired (would be called "late-term abortion").

    I do not know whether history books are going to be re-written to get rid of the term "Spanish Flu". Could happen.

    In the past century, influenza pandemics often have started in Asia, specifically China. Guess where the H1N1 got its start! Why? In Asia, mass populations are crammed together. In Asia, the hygienic practices are not those of the West. Body counts aren't counted because individuality is made subservient to the collective.
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  8. Pragmatist

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    Maybe the mismanager in mismanagement has an unconscious love of Fred Fellini. "A different language is a different vision of life."

    Good afternoon Old Geezer,

    Rewrite history ? Rename the Spanish flu ? Our area's Confederate monuments illuminate the pending path.

    Besides the huge populations living in close proximity, South China has the huge industrial style pig farms where many of the flu strains originate. Much subsidized USDA grains are exported from here - until recently when Trump had it slowed down - to the pigs of South China.
     
  9. F22 Simpilot

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    Me too!
     
  10. F22 Simpilot

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    It's realy called the Wuhan virus as it should be, and seen as how China wants to blame us for it, specifically our military, I call it the zipper head virus. Do I care if I offend anyone? No - fucking - way! Fuck China and their Communist bullshit and wet markets.

    Sounds like my sister has this shit now since she works at a retirement home and my mom works there as well. There are at least two residents there that have it and possibly many, many more. Who brought it there? A Chinese woman that was "vacationing" in Korea or some shit there. My mom is over 60 and has underlying health conditions. If she dies I'll be sure to sue China for what ever that's worth. They are single-handedly responsible for A LOT of wrongful death cases. From the 1300s onward to SARS, MURS, and now this shit. Fucking bastards piss me off. It's why my router username has been fuckchina for at least 12 years now. Mostly because of seeing them try to probe my network. And they do so with my website all the time only to get blocked by CloudFlare. Even with this shit going on.

    If you're on the left and are offended by anything I stated, by all means hand in your man card, report to the State Department and hand in your citizenship and move to Wuhan where you belong.
     
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      I send this as a compatriot and in unity. We have to watch our language. I use the hashtag sign, #, to censor my language. I have a temper and swear worse than any sailor, even worse than nurses. It would take something mind-numbing to offend me, however we have people reading this site who might wish to join and we have women reading. People like us have to watch it because we simply speak our mind; it's just how we are wired. I hope "####" is OK, it's what I do. Thanks for your d###ed comments!
       
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  11. lonewolf

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    just found out Tesco(one of the main supermarkets)home delivery driver out on his rounds has been attacked for what his truck is carrying, so its started already.
    watch your backs people!
     
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  12. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Lonewolf,

    Appreciate the alert.

    Rationing just started here today at the local grocery store. I was the first batch of people to enter store at opening and already it was somewhat hectic. With the weekend arriving and the social pressure up, it can get dangerous.

    Our local Walmart already has a reserved parking space for a Sheriff's Office patrol car. Parking space has a pole with flasking blue light.
     
  13. lonewolf

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    some rationing here too, maximum 2 items of some things.
     
  14. Old Geezer

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    There are those who continue to believe that the human species is chocked full of rationality. I have no idea of where such people came up with such an idea. Such B.S.!

    Related:
    "Austrian Army Deploys Personnel to Help Country’s Supermarkets"
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/20/austrian-army-deploys-help-supermarkets/

    Thnx for article LoneWolf.
     
  15. lonewolf

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    I have always believed the human race is stupid, recent developments and actions have just gone to prove it.
    there is always this belief that the human is a "social" animal- I don't personally believe it, given recent events I think humans are FERAL animals.
     
  16. Old Geezer

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    Under the topic of: Isn't it a Bit Late to be Stocking-UP

    Gun shops doing a bang-up business:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ge-300-percent-as-americans-flood-gun-stores/

    And if they are new to firearms, who's gonna train these idiots!? If the store is full, they may not have time for instruction on the use of the firearm they are purchasing. Most of us on this website grew-up with firearms, plus had formal training. We take our knowledge for granted. So, whereas I support weapons sales to the general citizenry (no felony record; no psych commitment record), I want the purchasers to be calm and educated/wishing-education people. A bunch of idiots rushing around in any form of panic, just about gives me reason to panic.

    I want to yell-out: "You stupid people, stop sh###ing yourselves!"
     
  17. Old Geezer

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    Were I the dictator of California, I would permit firearms sales. I would only disperse crowds, "Go home you idiots!". I would mandate that any firearm purchaser has the right to request instruction and be permitted the time to receive instruction, especially instruction concerning the use of the weapon being sold, and safety instruction. Sales would be first-come-first-serve; no long lines, no rushing the process. If someone put-off buying a firearm, then that person can just wait however long it takes.

    Since many folk are at home, how about socialism paying for broadcast firearm safety classes. These safety videos already exist. The NRA would immediately provide safety instruction videos.

    Senator Ted Kennedy once said that firearms are not a part of American culture and that schoolchildren should never be allowed to think that the ownership of firearms is a normal practice.

    Procrastinators finish last. Whether the demanded product be firearm or food, people who panic are the problem.
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  19. poltiregist

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    In inticipation of displaced families I am having a house I abandoned to move to my Ozark survival retreat burned down today . I take my prepping serious enough that I abandoned my former home that I built and completely paid for to prep in a more survivable location . They are supposed to light it up in about 15 minutes from now .
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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    Gosh ... uhhhhh ... why are you burning it? Why not sell it?

    Or, did you sell it to the fire department for a fire training exercise?
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  21. poltiregist

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  22. poltiregist

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    Maybe the news media , government speech's , and many of you got it right believing the virus will die with warm weather . It is interesting to me the virus didn't seem to get the memo that it was supposed to die in the warm weather locations of the planet such as Texas and California . If this trend continues we will continue to see the earths global economic system collapse . Those few weeks some think they are prepped and ready for may not cut it . Actually unless someone is rich it is already too late to prepare long term " years " . Fortunately for me , I live beside another long term survival group . My grand kids can simply wade the creek after the die off to go to the other compound to find a spouse and repopulate the planet .
     
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  23. lonewolf

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    any preps in any kind of event are only going to be a stop gap at best, especially in Britain where modern houses lack any kind of storage, my food preps were only to supplement when I couldn't get fresh.
    just found out they have closed our weekly meat and veg market, talk about panicking before they need to, no one in this area has even a sniffle let alone a virus, what a load of snowflakes!!
     
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  24. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist.

    The corona virus is alive and well in much warmer places like Jakarta and Singapore and in somewhat cooler, sub-tropical Hong Kong, there's another surge spike of cases from returning HR'ers. Still, it doesn't matter; Ebola is on standby alert. Our nations ultra-huge public health programs can't even deliver N95 masks to the medics. After WTC 9-11 there were established many anti-terrorist biowarfare programs. Where are these people and the funds ?

    Those rich people might have to vacate proto their ocean front homes from Cape Cod to Maryland's eastern shore and the luxury condos of New York City and Washington, D.C. It's possible that the Ozarks becomes the new "inside the beltway".

    If not, it could become a province of a powerful foreign nation.

    We must still rely on "Trust, but verify".

    The corona virus is not the problem. It is the manifestation of the problem. The problem is a divided society involved in wealth acquisition and wealth distribution.

    No N-95 masks in a nation of abundance that went to the moon.

    The writing is on the collapsing dam wall.

    MAGA
     
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  25. lonewolf

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    it may not seem like it at the moment, but given the way some of the sheeple are behaving, I think we may be looking at the beginning of the end of human society, if not the end of human civilisation itself.
     
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  26. Chris Survival&Prepper

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    As many have said here my main concern isn't so much the virus, its bad enough, but what is going to happen to the economy, There is only so long that smaller businesses can survive their employees not working and no income coming in. Even if their rents, loans etc are deffered for a while that doesn't replace other operating costs such as replaced product that goes bad or general lost customer base. I for see this taking at least a decade or more to recover from even if the virus ends up disipating in the near future.
     
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  27. F22 Simpilot

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    I'm hearing people here run out of the grocery store with a basket of groceries without paying. Now they have a police officer in the store with good reason.
     
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  28. F22 Simpilot

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    The reason why the SHTF in this country is that we were ill prepared for it. This had better teach us all on how we should manufacture our crap here, our pharmaceuticals and our medical reediness. For god sakes, I'm hearing we don't have enough respirators! Now for a country that visited the aforementioned moon, wtf?!

    There are times where I wish I could bring the whole country under my sole, own control and direction just for a month and straighten things out and then hand over the country to the people once again as democratic republic like it is. The rich off their ass congressmen dirt bags are largely to blame, BUT! You can blame your voter for voting in the same c%%# sucker in term after term, after term ad nauseam. Remember that fat f%^$ Barney Frank who oversaw the GSEs and then the "bubble" burst? McStain back then wanted to regulate the GSEs, but thanks in part to Barney Frank and pals it was never passed. Wait till people's mortgages go under water here by this time next year.

    The boy scout motto is "always be prepared." Instead of e pluribus unum written on all the currency, it should be "always be prepared."

    Out of many - one idiot congressman for LIFE!
     
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  29. Old Geezer

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    Had this happened to the Great Generation, the generation who fought WWII, everyone would have have pulled together. Those who could/should would have stayed home. Those who had needed skills would have shown up to do what they could.

    Here in Heartland America, only a handful of dweebs have pooed their pants and made life difficult for others. These defective people are those raised by parents who drank Dr. Spock's Kool-Aid.

    The cities are in deep doo-doo due to the lack of any preparedness, lack of discipline, and lack of leadership. Witness NY, NY, "It's all Trump's fault."

    People who have the maturity level of an adolescent cannot handle the reality of this world being a hard land of spiritual testing ending in the death of the body.

    As to economic collapse, Western economies were already dead. The only reason they appeared to be alive was due to artificial life support. Banks & governments borrowed "money" into existence to maintain the facade of economies being alive. Eventually debts get called in. Eventually somebody looks at the books. In the world of gambling, somebody calls your bluff.
     
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  30. Dalewick

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    I haven't wrote anything on COVID-19 as I have no proof on my intel.

    I have been told that the Chinese microbiology lab in Wuhan sent a urgent message to Beijing about 16 days before the virus appeared in a hospital for the first time. The message read "Lab has been violated, Sample is missing. " This was an emergency email sent to the central government. Note, it was not sent to the military or law enforcement. Last summer and fall, massive protest were taking place in Wuhan for freedom and peoples rights.
    There are reports (including video) of Chinese Law Enforcement and Military removing people from there homes if the had a fever and removing protest organizers that had no symptoms. Many of these individuals have not been seen by family members since there removal.

    As of 72 hours ago, Wuhan was still on complete lockdown. The underground is making food and medicine deliveries to the poor and some foreign nationals. Food and medicine is being dispensed to the wealthy and middle class.

    At this time the lethality rate of COVID-19 is approximately 4% and the lethal rate for the common flu is approximately 0.1%, SARS was 10% and MERS was 34%.

    I will let people make up there own minds on how our governments are responding to this pandemic. For me the actions being taken seem disproportionate to the threat of the virus, especially in light of responses to past pandemics and events.

    Dale
     
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  31. Old Geezer

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  32. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Chris,

    First, a welcome to the Forum. "This is the place."

    Actually, the US economy is under control. The major adjustments going on will be beneficial. The prior small business arrangements (and much large business programs also) were funded from future earnings, ie deficit spending.

    The new programs for small businesses also address whether a company can be small. Usually, small businesses are under-capitalized and the true costs are shifted to the public sector. Health care for workers and the retirement programs, if any, were transferred to the public sector. Recall the Pension Benefit Guarantee Program. All the aforesaid are insolvent with the debt held mostly by China and a few other nations and their large investment companies.

    The current adjustments involve plans for more jobs in the US economy. These US domestic arrangements are in agreement and in tandem with America's major trading partners, especially China.

    It does take time but physically can occur prior to a decade. By then, I'll be at VA Cemetery, Quantico.

    Will glance at your website soonest.

    Again, a warm welcome to the Forum.

    Transmitting from the Chesapeake Bay area of Virginia.
     
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  33. poltiregist

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    It is interesting times for the prepper to sit back and watch the global economy free fall . Sheeple fighting over scraps of food and toilet paper at the stores . By the end of this year the die off will be well on its way . I will be siting back enjoying a glass of fresh goat milk and watching the show . I hardened my goat pen from the starving . It now has a padlock on it . Sure they could cut the fence but likely they could not remove a goat without getting tore up by a very vicious dog . Just a thought I checked craig,s list a few days ago and noticed in my area the price of milk goats have not gone up YET . They will be priceless in a couple of more months . I thought I would mention that if some of you feel under prepared .
     
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  34. lonewolf

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    I do think this is the SHTF that we have all been waiting and preparing for.
    we have had the 6 weeks, now we wait to see what happens over 6 months.
    if the sheeple carry on the way they have been doing in the UK there wont be many of them left within 6-9 months.
    total 281 deaths in the UK as of this morning.
     
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  35. Old Geezer

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    This Covid-19 should NOT have set-off disorder.

    Because it did, preppers have been shown to have been correct in their assessments of how stupid and fragile world economies have become, correct in their assessment of "civilization" having cracked foundations.

    Government officials are blaming each other. People are fighting over toilet paper. Individuals, companies, and hospitals have been making zero preparations for hard times. The just-in-time paradigm has proven suicidal.

    I've been watching how urban areas handle this. Currently hospitals are in deep doo-doo. I'm wondering how long it will be until we begin seeing massive numbers of people heading to stores and simply taking what they need/want. It's already happening, but the scale is still small. When the checks stop flowing, things are gonna change big time.

    Some bank-runs have happened, but nothing dramatic so far. Money is being printed to forestall the coming panic. I read a leftist news article assuring that banks have plenty of liquidity, "Don't worry, be happy!"

    Won't be long before individuals and governments stop paying their debts. Uh-oh.
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  36. lonewolf

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    I remember on a previous (British) forum when a fellow prepper and myself tried to warn people about the coming collapse, we were laughed at and called paranoid, WELL THEY ARENT LAUGHING NOW ARE THEY?
     
  37. poltiregist

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    Just doing the math , the government claim around a 3 percent fatality rate " some much higher but some less " " and which I don't believe " . Presuming the virus makes its rounds like the milk man used to , after the planet is fully saturated with the virus attacking the same person about every two months . Three percent die off every two months would mean about a one percent remaining in about five years .
     
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  38. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Poltiregist,

    I also do not believe the virus numbers. Plus, I don't think they are that important. Washing hands and getting flu shots is a basic even six years ago.

    I am watching the emergency response financial numbers and these are the numbers that will reconfigure American society.

    We don't need universities with overpriced hotels and restaurants and sports teams and a bloated payroll and and and and ...

    We have excess airline capacity and the capital infusion is real good grease money to solve the problem. Most can take the bus or train - or teleconference.

    We don't need the bloated military-industrial complex. It already started to shrink.

    The virus deaths are occurring in unhealthy places such as nursing homes ... Think Medicare funded ... filthy cities, people with poor quality hygiene. Washington, D.C>'s announcements are national numbers. If there was no pandemic, places like NYC, Chicago, Miami, New Orleans, ... would have cases of TB, STD, the drug deaths, the shootings - not reported recently, the alcoholism, the car crashes.

    We are restructuring the nation concurrent with the pandemic response.

    I have little sympathy for those who party hard and don't have a flash light or an extra jug of water in the home.


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    Give my regards to Broadway and the hospital ship.

    MAGA
     
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  39. BugOutHive

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    I’ve been utilizing this for years!
     
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  40. Old Geezer

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  41. lonewolf

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    Britain has now gone into lockdown, we all have to stay home for a minimum of 3 weeks by government order.
     
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  42. Old Geezer

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    People leaving the cities trying to escape Covid19

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...californias-deserts-and-mountains/ar-BB11zHSz

    https://indianexpress.com/article/c...m-narendra-modi-coronavirus-lockdown-6326075/

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/parisians-vacate-city-ahead-of-covid-19-lockdown/1769664

    I'm reading also about people violating quarantine (having to be arrested; wouldn't you love to be the police officer having to take them into custody), inmates escaping prisons, even read one article about psychiatric patients escaping psych ward.

    Californians running out into the desert doesn't surprise me in the least.
     
  43. lonewolf

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    Londoners still wont be told, still cramming onto tubes, visiting parks in large numbers, etc. no social distancing, they think it dosent apply to them, they are going to f##k it up for everyone else!
    message in the sand on St Ives(cornwall) beach "tourists go home!!"
    there is only one emergency hospital in Cornwall and it'll get overwhelmed with Cornish corona patients, never mind incomers.
    the 3 weeks curfew is going to turn into 3 MONTHS, mark my words!
    p.s. I have changed the thread title, it is no longer the COMING pandemic, its already here!!!
     
  44. poltiregist

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    Have you guys noticed the politicians getting before the public that were touting the virus pandemic would basically be over in a few weeks are now backing away from that optimistic prediction . I know many are desperately hoping this will not last but a few months , partly because they didn't properly prepare for a serious an event as this . I predicted weeks ago and will say again look for at least a year of this and look for it to get much worse , we are just in the beginning . The planet has seen the bronze age , the dark ages and I wonder what history will call the age we are entering now perhaps " the hell on wheels age " .
     
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      Communist Chinese officials betook themselves to some island quarantine area. Must have already been set-up as command and control, plus the cleaned-up/isolation thingy had to have happened.
       
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  45. Old Geezer

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    Here in the States, college kids did the whole spring break affair -- beaches and booze. Massive crowds, of course.
     
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      That got started, but was shut down. FL governor closed all bars and alcohol sales and had LE's close the beaches and arrest those that refused.
       
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  46. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Poltiregist,

    Yes, I noticed the change.

    Very recently POTUS was mentioning "herd immunity" doctrine, like the Brit's PM Boris Johnson started with.

    My overall view is that there is more going on than the mass medical / public health national emergency.

    I'm looking for a reconfigured hospital system to arrive on the national scene. Am guessing that the ObamaCare replacement is also buried in all this. Am wondering if the social distancing requirement will be used to get the small(er) charter schools in place.

    I am both a veteran and survivor of Hell on Wheels, 2nd Armored Division. Personally speaking, in high school was thinking that a 3 year tour in the US Army in the Black Forest, Bavaria, West Germany would be interesting. Things didn't work out that way.
     
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  47. lonewolf

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    wife was brought up by prepper(although not called that back then)parents, escaping from a city during the cold war in the late 40s and 50s, lived in an off grid rural cottage, but she has just told me that she is pleased and grateful that she is married to a prepper!!!
     
  48. TexDanm

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    In Texas, a lot of people are prepared though they are not traditional preppers. People here raise a garden, have livestock and can a lot of their own food. The cities here are just like they are elsewhere and filled with sheeple and liberals but once you move out into the countryside and into the small towns you find a very different sort of person. I'm not talking about farmers and ranchers but regular people that live of small pieces of land from 1 to 15 acres that have regular jobs but nonetheless live close to the land in the old ways. We nearly all hunt and fish and honestly are not really bothered by this coronavirus crap. Our small stores never ran out of things. We are still going to the local restaurants and are not changing our ways very much other than what is sort of being forced on us. We mostly all keep a pretty well-stocked pantry. Our wells are doing fine; I still don't understand the bottle water fetish. I think where I live people are more stocked than some areas because so many people here work for the state and only get paid once a month. You do NOT want to go to the stores on the first even though that is when they have their best sales. People are buying groceries for a month and take it very seriously.
     
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    very different in Britain even out here in the rural areas, most people are still sheeple and do not store much even in the way of food and go to the supermarkets every 3-5 days some even go daily. people do not garden, the garden if they have one is full of kids toys and plastic rubbish.
     
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