The Revenge Of Donald Trump And What May Be To Come.

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  1. LastOutlaw

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    Revenge may be a bit of a harsh term but considering how President Trump hits back harder than he was struck by an opponent and seems to remember those who have done wrong or wronged him or even been opposite of his policy, what do you all think is coming after the next US election if He is re-elected?

    Considering that he no longer will need to be as concerned about political posturing do you see retaliatory actions against those who he may feel have wronged him, those who may have been on the opposite end of his policy, those who have been blatant "never Trumpers", those who have blatantly broken the law or undermined the US Constitution?

    Do you foresee charges coming from Bill Barr for any of these people?> Perhaps the investigations that are supposedly underway now concerning the FISA court, the politicizing of the FBI, the DOJ or the illegal maneuvers that have been done in the past via the State Dept?

    It seems obvious to me that if one wants to stop the corruption in the US government or at the very least slow it there must be charges of some to scare the rest back into conformity of our laws.

    Are charges forthcoming after a re-election? Will mass deportations of illegal invaders begin? Will the lack of laws being enforced upon elected officials come to a halt? Mass firings of those who clearly are not doing their jobs and are politicizing their positions or are using their office for political means?
     
  2. LastOutlaw

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    I am interested in other's thoughts on this matter. Please feel free to weigh in.
     
  3. poltiregist

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    I believe you are correct on all assumptions . I think Trump has already ramped up in the last few days getting rid of and pointing out the betrayers to their own country .
     
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  4. Duncan

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    I don't think revenge is too hard a term at all. Trump considers anything or anyone whose views differ from his as an enemy, and his mental processes seem to see an "enemy" as someone who must be crushed. His chances for re-election, I think, are great, and the turn in the American polity started in 2016 with his election will continue at an accelerated pace.

    First, I believe he will be concerned with "political posturing", because it is a part of his DNA. At the heart of Trump is the insecure real-estate salesman who was bankrupted in most of his business dealings, and was successful in only one endeavor: being a reality-show hero. So he definitely will go after anyone who "wronged" him, and his definition of "wronged" includes every individual you mentioned in your post above.

    Retaliatory actions? Absolutely. Look at the way he fired LCOL Vindman for having the temerity for disagreeing with Trump's recollections of the Ukraine phone calls, while simultaneously firing Vindman's twin brother for having the temerity to be the first Vindman's twin brother.

    Probably not. The government went after Hillary Clinton for years and wasn't able to show any wrong-doing except for stupidity. I can't think of any of Trump's putative enemies who have any provable -- or even indict-able -- crime. But I may be wrong; I'm just going to wait and see.

    "Scare the people"? Does that mean threatening innocent (you know the old rule -- innocent until proven guilty) people as opposed to doing a transparent investigation following the rule of law? I certainly hope not! This is not the 1930's Germany ...

    ...yet.


     
  5. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Last Outlaw,

    Per request:

    In a 2nd term Trump administration, I do not see much retaliations, just political trade-offs to accomplish the strategic objective: saving the US economy via debt reduction, both public and private. The US Constitution is really unenforceable via courts or political blocs. These matters are (basically) only handled by political trade offs.

    YES re the FICA episode....as far as protecting the US Government from deep-state subterfuge outside of the national political arena.

    Corruption cannot be stopped nor even controlled in a large, socialist type of government. Corruption is inherent to this type of system. There is more patronage today in the several "civil service" programs than there was during the "spoils system".

    I do not envision mass deportations of illegals if they are working on a W-2 form without legal troubles. I don't envision mass firings in the US Government. I do anticipate large amounts of restructuring of agencies and military services coupled to personnel transfers from metro D.C. out to the field areas of agency concern. Am guessing the USAF will become very small with the Space Force being the new replacement service.

    The USG checks to private citizens, eg SNAP/food stamps will leave the scene. Social Security will be means-tested. Someone with another retirement type of check will not get both. Health care will be restricted and rationed. Those in the labor force will have access. Those not will be obliged to rely on their own arrangements. Watch the large public sector pension funds enter a form of bankruptcy. Think of Puerto Rico. CALPers and NY State Pension Fund rapidly leaving the scene.

    Trump is less about revenge and more so about saving the nation. There are serious - existential - dangers to the US because of the debt - not the domestic debt but rather the debt owed to foreign interests.

    First Lady Clinton had the clearest explanation (recorded at a labor meeting): "It's hard to threaten your creditor".
     
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  6. LastOutlaw

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    Not really surprised at your reply considering that you are the Never Trumper/Trump hater that you are.
     
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    A comment on what may be to come , part of this thread . Information came to me evidence of a sexual predator from an mid eastern country " not sure which one yet " gave Adam Shift 2.7 million dollars in illegal money . Other people were also given the same amount of illegal money and guess what they were ALL Democrat politicans . Some mention of indictments . This information from what I understand is not supposed to be out for the general public for a few more weeks . Not surprisingly this sexual predator was hiding in the sanctuary state of California with the others of his kind .
     
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  8. watcherchris

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    last Outlaw.....

    Not obvious to me. I think some charges are coming....

    But what really will scare the political process..is to educate the electorate as to how the corruption works....how it takes place in order to maintain the various government jobs programs to buy up and secure votes on the public purse.

    Waking up people is what frightens the Swamp/Deep State more than anything else.

    Also with this exposure/awakening to the American people should be the corruption and bias of the MSM...as Pimps for the process of trying to control the herd...how it works on an unsuspecting people.

    Exposure to the light of day is what someone fears more than charges. Exposing how some work constantly to rig the system against the American People.

    Educate the people/voters as to how the corruption works against them.

    That is one of the biggest and most dangerous things he can ever do to the corrupt/rigged system...educate the people to think further than the Kardashians.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
  9. Duncan

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    Gee, I thought you were actually asking for others' opinions rather than looking for an excuse to insult fellow board members.
     
  10. lonewolf

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    can I please remind all members to keep their comments confined to the subject matter and not wander off into making personal remarks? thank you.
     
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  11. LastOutlaw

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    I did ask and you have the right to yours. But I was not surprised at what you said as you have said the exact same thing numerous times in the past. I didn't insult you I simply stated that you are a Never Trumper/Trump hater. You haven't hidden that fact in the past. I am a Trump supporter and I haven't hidden that fact either.
     
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    I think that you are right about educating or waking up the electorate but I really think that until a number of arrests are made for things like subversion, treason, corruption and such on a federal level and many who have been blatantly doing these crimes are tried by a military tribunal of 12 and hung for their crimes which is the proper place for many of these types crimes and not the civilian legal system where the judges are stacked and trials can come to a standstill with a hung jury. There are no hung juries in a military tribunal. Then and only then will you see a change in the attitude of our elected officials. Yes a military tribunal is used in a wartime crime but I believe we have been at war for a number of years in the declared war on terror. The fear of the rope will surely change the attitude of those who no longer serve the people but only serve themselves and no longer think of themselves as elected officials serving us but think of us as serving them.
     
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    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32458.pdf

    Congressional Research Service ̃The Library of CongressCRS Report for CongressReceived through the CRS WebOrder Code RL32458Military Tribunals: Historical Patterns and Lessons

    Military Tribunals: Historical Patterns and LessonsSummaryAfter the terrorist operations of September 11, 2001, President George W. Bushauthorized the creation of military tribunals to try individuals who offered assistanceto the attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. The military order issued byPresident Bush closely tracks the model established by President Franklin D.Roosevelt for a military tribunal appointed in 1942 to try eight German saboteurs.In Ex parte Quirin (1942), the Supreme Court unanimously upheld the jurisdictionof Roosevelt’s tribunal (also called “military commission”).This report summarizes the types of military tribunals that have functioned fromthe Revolutionary War to the present time, explaining the legislative enactments thathave guided these tribunals and the judicial decisions that have reviewed theirconstitutionality. One of the principal methods of legislative control over militarytrials, including tribunals, are the Articles of War that Congress enacts into law. TheConstitution vests in Congress the power to “constitute Tribunals inferior to thesupreme Court,” to “make rules for the Government and Regulation of the land andnaval Forces,” and to “define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the highSeas, and Offences against the Law of Nations.” By enacting Articles of War,Congress defined not only the procedures but also the punishments to be applied tothe field of military law.At various times, executive officials have claimed that the President hasauthority under the Constitution to create military tribunals and does not depend onstatutory authorization. The Supreme Court has never accepted that argument.Instead, it looks for implied or express statutory authority when upholding militarytribunals. On a number of occasions, federal courts have expressed concern thatmilitary tribunals enable an administration to exercise all three powers of government— legislative, executive, and judicial — and that the concentration of those powersthreatens individual rights and liberties.For other CRS reports on military tribunals, see CRS Report RL31191,Terrorism and the Law of War: Trying Terrorists as War Criminals before MilitaryCommissions, by Jennifer Elsea; CRS Report RL31600, The Department of DefenseRules for Military Commissions: Analysis of Procedural Rules and Comparison withProposed Legislation and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, by Jennifer Elsea;and CRS Report RL31340, Military Tribunals: The Quirin Precedent, by LouisFisher.

    and

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/AR_633-15_4-7-1959.pdf

    ARMY REGULATIONS! HEADQUARTERS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY No. 633-15 WASHINGTON 25, D. C., 7 April 1959 PROCEDURE FOR MILITARY EXECUTIONS
     
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  14. watcherchris

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    Duncan...and others...

    You need to do better than this...much better....Watching the left and democrats at the SOTU demonstrated this clearly.
    Watching the talking heads out of Hollywood does this for me also...and gives me clearly the impression that Hollywood knows better than America and Americans what is best for us.

    How about the left/Democrat silence with what happened with Antifa at Charlottesville, Virginia. Antifa clearly looks at anyone who disagrees with them as an enemy.
    And by the way...Antifa is a rebirth of the radicals in Europe.....in the middle to late 1800s and the violence they spread there....I recognize this pattern being repeated. Stooges of the International....which became the Communist party.

    The very leftists of the left had to back off of Antifa when it became clear to many what Antifa really was and it's origins....

    It is only Trump who stated that both sides were at it while our phony MSM tries to paint and destroy only one side with their coverage...and or blame game....

    This kind of thing...manufacturing a bad guy is standard public jerk off technique of the left and the Democrats ...you can see them coming with predictability.

    I came to this conclusion long long ago before home computers listening to short wave broadcasts when other nations would broadcast in English and comparing it to what was not covered in our media.

    When Trump calls it "Fake News.." he is correct and it did not start with Trump...they were doing it long long before Trump.



    And the law he is breaking???? The moral and ethical trespass he has committed???

    Also and more important......this is the standard bill of fare or menu of the left...political posturing in everything ..and for votes. Trump has no monopoly on political posturing....

    We saw Political Posturing at the SOTU big time.....just watch the audience to whom Trump spoke...


    Wow!!! The law which was broken here???? Does the President have the authority to fire or remove this person and his brother from their jobs...for his reasons....not our reasons...or even the reasons of "Fake News."???


    I wouldn't trust the Republicans or the Democrats in this one...they are on the same side of the coin....proxies working for the deep state..internationalists….to scare Americans into compliance with their needs...

    This has been going on since before WW1. And many of these internationalist businesses and American banks/Wall Street helped rebuild Nazi Germany between wars. But these businesses and banks were not on trial at Nuremburg after the war was over. Imagine that???!!

    This fear and scarce game still goes on today.....The Russian collusion is textbook of this counting on the pre conditioned scare techniques so effectively used and misused on an unsuspecting America. So too with the name "Hitler."

    When you see this used/misused often enough to scare and intimidate/condition Americans you can see them coming with predictability....,

    Oh...noooooooooooooooooooo…..Russians.....
    Oh...nooooooooooooooooooooo…..Hitler....

    Here we go again.....They get predictable. We are supposed to stop thinking for ourselves and obey.....march in lock step..fear.....after all...they used the Russians/Hitler!!!



    I may have this wrong but I believe attempts are being made to prevent these people from going on the public dole...thus putting more and more Americans into economic and social bondage to pay for these illegals....to buy up votes...on the public purse.
    Standard leftist tactic.....buying votes on the public purse....you can see this one coming too...particularly at election time....more give aways for votes.
    And that is the crime no one wants to talk about...putting more and more Americans into economic and social bondage to put these Illegals on the American Breast/purse.
    And this is what Trump and company need to be exposing and putting Light upon...the putting of Americans into economic and social bondage to take care of non Americans...who come here illegally.

    If they start cutting off the dole...many of them will go back.....



    I'm not so sure they were his appointed folks...by the uproar every time he fires one of them.

    This causes me to think that many of them were put there to keep an eye on him..planted...not properly to serve him....but instead serve someone else...privily...secretly.

    I suspect he has been weeding them steadily out.


    Abraham Lincoln had this problem with his cabinet....particularly with Edwin Stanton his Secretary of War....but others too.

    Remember...they tried to kill Secretary of State William H. Seward the same night they killed Abraham Lincoln. This is not known by most Americans as to how deep this went... Secretary Seward Survived and went on to serve under Andrew Johnson.

    So how deep does this go in today's White House...and has anything changed...over the years???


    Ishmaelites run wild.....


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  15. watcherchris

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    Last Outlaw....

    Are you aware of what has been quietly going on down at GITMO??

    The rebuilding of certain facilities??

    Curious about this.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  16. LastOutlaw

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    Yes, I am aware that bids were taken on adding hundreds of beds and new additional facilities to Gitmo.

    Much of this was covered by Qanon followers over a year or two ago. I did closely watch and investigate the Qanon theory for a little over a year and followed closely the posts and the investigations by the "Autists" or Qanon followers as they were calling themselves and a lot of topics were covered such as Jeffery Epstein and his pedo island as well as The Clinton Foundation, over 4000 sealed indictments in the PACER system , the resignations and leaving politics of high ranking elected officials and business people shortly after DJT signed his executive order in Dec 2017 concerning corruption as well as the expansion of Gitmo among many other things.

    I came to the conclusion that there were not likely going to be any arrests of criminal elements in our government and that DJT most likely was not asked to run for office by military intelligence in an effort to repair our country. Now, I will say that while it is possible that I am wrong in my Qanon findings and arrests could still come about after the re-election of Donald J. Trump it is most likely a psyops that has been running to either fire up the DJT base or awaken many many thousands if not millions of Americans to the need for repairs.

    I was and still am hopeful that something will be done to bring America back to it's lawful order again or as close as can be, considering the state that this country is in today.

    I do not however believe that Q is a top level security employee of the US government. It is possible however that there is a team of people who are continuously keeping the Qanon movement alive. Most likely it is a group who is financially profiting from donations and sales of pro -Q items online.

    One can hope though.
     
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    https://www.military.com/daily-news...mes-guantanamo-trump-truly-builder-chief.html

    When it Comes to Guantanamo, Trump is Truly the Builder in Chief

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    In this March 30, 2010, file photo, reviewed by the U.S. military, a U.S. trooper stands in the turret of a vehicle with a machine gun, left, as a guard looks out from a tower at the detention facility of Guantanamo Bay. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)
    28 Mar 2018
    Miami Herald | By Carol Rosenberg
    MIAMI -- The Trump administration has more than $200 million in new construction teed up for Guantanamo this year and next, combining new funding in the $1.3 trillion spending bill and existing projects.

    The biggest ticket item for the U.S. Navy base in Cuba in the so-called Omnibus Spending law is $115 million for a new 848-troop barracks across the street from the McDonald's and commissary to consolidate enlisted prison staff under one roof.

    A dive into the documents that underpin the spending bill that President Donald Trump signed Friday -- declaring "Nobody read it. It's only hours old. Some people don't even know what's in it" -- indicates Congress did not fund a new $69 million prison for the 15 high-value detainees at Guantanamo, called Camp 7. It does however devote $66 million to a 150-prisoner jail, with campus, at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state for troops and airmen accused of crimes.

    It also serves as a study in contrasts of the costs of doing business at the remote base behind a minefield in southeast Cuba, where both labor and supplies must arrive by barge and airlift to undertake new construction.

    To put the cost of the new barracks in perspective, the Omnibus Spending Law this year is also funding dormitory-style housing for 216 sailors at a Navy training site in Pensacola for $18 million, or $83,000 per bed, compared to Guantanamo's cost of $135,613 for comparable housing.

    The new barracks had been championed by Trump's chief of staff, John Kelly, during his years as a Marine general at U.S. Southern Command and rejected by President Barack Obama, who wanted the prison complex closed.

    The U.S. military has already spent $9 million on design and other preparation on the barracks for enlisted soldiers on the staff of the 41-captive prison -- about half of the current strength of 1,700 troops and civilians -- so the sum included in the measure is for construction of the dormitory-style building itself. A contractor has yet to be signed.

    With all labor and materials flown in, the project is an expensive one and, by latest estimates, would start with a contract awarded in April 2019 with an anticipated 900-day construction period meaning the soonest it would be done is in September 2021.

    Separately, the Pentagon has three other major building projects approved or underway in 2018:

    -- It has notified Congress that it found $14 million to expand the Top Secret trailer park portion of the war court complex at Camp Justice -- called the Expeditionary Legal Complex -- and accommodate more prefabricated office space and secure work stations.

    -- A Carlsbad, Calif., construction firm has been awarded a $23 million to $27 million contract to do work on the infrastructure of a pop-up tent city site that could, in the event of a migrant crisis, hold up to 30,000 people intercepted at sea not far from Guantanamo's lone functioning airfield. The U.S. military has spent millions of dollars since 2007 building the site on the leeward side of the base for the Department of Homeland Security because the original infrastructure was taken over by the Detention Center Zone for war-on-terror prisoners.

    -- Construction will continue throughout the year on the base's new $66 million K-12 school -- being built by the same Miami firm whose pedestrian bridge collapsed March 15 at Florida International University -- past a November completion date. At the time of the collapse that killed six people, the school for up to 275 students was 35 percent finished and scheduled for completion in March 2019, said spokeswoman Sue Brink of the Navy Facilities Southeast headquarters in Jacksonville.

    Money for the $14 million war court expansion was drawn from earlier U.S. military construction projects that came in under budget.

    For example, in 2015 Congress budgeted $11.8 million to build a new health clinic for some two dozen Guantanamo prisoners in a former cellblock at the Camp 5 prison, which came in at $9.6 million. So $2.2 million from those funds are being used on the war court site expansion, even though the clinic shown to visiting reporters in February is not yet complete.

    The military this month put out a solicitation for contractors to compete to provide a nonchewable padded cell for its new two-cell psych ward there.

    Other funds for the court expansion include $2.1 million from $60.8 million allocated for a pier in the Kwajalein atoll in the Marshall Islands that came in under budget.

    The original Expeditionary Legal Complex was built in 2007 and cost $12 million, using mobilized engineers to construct it.

    It has the Pentagon's Top Secret eavesdrop-proof war court chamber for former CIA captives, where the public hears proceedings on a 40-second delay. The expansion phase does not provide for a second courtroom sought by the chief judge, just secure office spaces. It is more expensive because this time the Pentagon is hiring outside contractors to pave, put in utilities hookups, build more security fences and add perimeter lights.

    Separately, the Pentagon is spending $235,156 on six prefab legal meeting rooms inside the Detention Center Zone for lawyers to meet with captives, ostensibly with confidentiality, after a microphone was found in a meeting room especially set up for the alleged USS Cole bomber, a former CIA captive, to meet with his lawyers in 2014.

    This article is written by Carol Rosenberg from Miami Herald and was legally licensed via the Tribune Content Agency through the NewsCred publisher network. Please direct all licensing questions to legal@newscred.com.

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  18. LastOutlaw

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    It is also possible that the whole Qanon movement could have easily been started by Brad Parscale.
     
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    I loathe Trump's personality type.
    I love his willingness to do harm to the Constitution-burners and the Bible-burners.

    The cancer of socialism has laid-waste to Europe and is spreading to the once-free country of the USA. Cancer has to be destroyed utterly lest it pop its satanic head back up yet again and again.

    Paradise Sweden https://summit.news/2019/06/13/swed...missed-by-the-media-now-a-national-emergency/

    Paradise London https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...o-walk-streets-of-london-at-night-771278.html

    https://www.thebalance.com/eurozone-debt-crisis-causes-cures-and-consequences-3305524

    The euro will fall. Maybe the burning of the cities therein will bring a cleansing.

    The Left is pressing for the elimination of Trump by any means necessary. Really they are pressing for the collapse of capitalism. America will inevitably elect a socialist government and this will result in a depression making the 1930s look like a cake walk. Maybe the burning of the cities therein will bring a cleansing.

    All Western banks are on the brink of collapse. Banks holding real assets is at a lower point than in 2007. Debts national, corporate, and individual are far beyond sustainable; indeed, debt levels are now overtly insane. Something will push the first domino.

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  20. LastOutlaw

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    Isn't it funny that every time we reached very high debt there seemed to be a major war. Hmmmm.
     
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    By simply beginning to enforce existing laws and starting deportation operations most will self deport in order to take their assets with them rather than forfeit them.
    During "Operation Wetback" implemented by Ike most illegals self deported rather than being physically removed. Also when Jan Brewer passed legislation during the Obama administration to remove illegals almost all illegals self deported from that state as well.

    One used to be able to find non biased information on the Internet concerning statistics on "Operation Wetback" but they have all been scrubbed and replaced with leftist worded articles now.
     
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  22. poltiregist

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    Nancy Pelosi tried to do a coup attempt on Donald Trump , ironic that now she is at his mercy . Tearing up the State Of the Union Address is illegal . Penalty under law is up to three years in prison , monetary finds and barred from ever holding a political office again . She tried to impeach him when no law was broken but the evidence of what she done was televised for the world to see .
     
  23. Old Geezer

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    All this sounds so very political and maybe it is, however ...

    People who seek power under a Leftist system of government want citizens dependent on The System. Overt force is brought to bear against those who would care for their family and friends to the exclusion of the masses. Under socialist rule, stores of food and certainly stores of firearms and ammunition -- even if for hunting -- are broken-up and redistribution to the masses . Greater than three or four rifles and shotguns is an arsenal. Having greater than a couple of hundred rounds of ammo is "preparing for mass murder".

    "Liberal administrations see the need for citizens to defend themselves. They are not opposed to gun ownership," says the Leftist voter.

    Even today, citizens of urban areas cannot ride mass transit without putting themselves at risk for violence. If an urbanite protects herself with a gun, she will be imprisoned. Bernard Goetz went to prison for defending himself against four savage attackers.

    It is said that redistribution goes to the masses -- that's the story; actually all valuable items are confiscated to be distributed to the inner circle of Leftist political allies. The politically correct are doing fine in Venezuela. Bernie Sanders refuses to criticize Venezuela to any real degree. The Leftist crew to this day continue to make excuses for Che and the Castro brothers.

    If you are a prepper, then in the eyes of the Left, you own an arsenal. You hoard food. You are an oppressor. You are "deplorable". Scoped bolt-action center-fire rifles are termed "sniper rifles". Emasculated England is where the American Left wishes to take us. Can you say "knife control". Taxes will double, triple, whatever it takes to bring the middle class into submission to centralized government. Sacred Liberty in Europe has been crushed. The very idea that some people can prepare to survive circumstances where the masses suffer mightily is anathema to the would-be gods of the Leftist Religion. If you are white, then you are 3X guilty of all "oppressed minority" suffering.

    Those who would prepare for hard times yet vote liberals into office are either masochists or terminally naive. Even if you are in a safe location, your vote has severely negative consequences in other parts of the country. The socialist voters in Virginia have set the jackboots marching against the real Americans of that commonwealth. Communist Virginians perpetually remind anyone who will listen that Virginia is not a state, but a commonwealth where wealth must be held in common / redistributed to the oppressed masses. You are to work for the "common good", not for your family. "Selfish capitalists must be crushed." In Charlottesville, VA, 2017, communist organizers, to include several UVa professors, brought in Antifa and BLM fighters to take-out radical-Right protesters who were marching to protect statues of Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee from being taken down. Though commies, seems they had plenty of money when the need came to pay for the transportation of over 1200 Antifa soldiers.

    There are two separate Americas. The Left wants to create one socialist blob out of this once great nation of independent states. They will burn the Constitution. They will confiscate firearms if allowed.

    They cannot do this in one fell swoop. They know that they must do this bit by bit, year by year, decade by decade. Currently they use Leftist educational programs to rob you of your children and grandchildren. They indoctrinate children to believe that America is an oppressor nation. They indoctrinate minority children that they are owed a life with all amenities due to their being continually beaten down by evil white people.

    If whites are attacked in major cities it is due to "gun violence"; the perpetrators are "groups of teenagers"; it is feloniously racist to point out the demographics of those who commit most crimes.

    The religious mantra of the Left is "poverty causes crime" when in fact the reality is that "crime causes poverty". Saying this makes me an oppressor in the sick minds of the born-again Leftists.

    This atmosphere makes life increasingly difficult for those who would prepare for the coming horrific SHTF events. Do not think that you will in times future be allowed to order stores of food or other survival necessities. We know that we are currently being tracked if only to make us the targets of big business marketing. The socialist high-tech company owners want to make lots of money -- it is OK for the commie elitists to be wealthy (or get deeded a vacation home for dropping out of the last election, as did Bernie).

    "Gosh Old Geezer, you often use "commie" and "socialist" interchangeably!" Socialism and collectivism always lead to communist regimes, so why shouldn't I ?! All centralized government goes evil. That is bad news for us preppers. Redistribution of wealth = looting by government.
     
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    Really? Do you have a link for that "crime"?
     
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  25. poltiregist

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    Duncan thanks for your interest . According to law 18 USC 2071 it is illegal to conduct concealment , removal , or mutilation of a federal document . I am guessing you get your news from a different source than I . It is all over the news that I tap into . Looking this law up for you I found an update " or at least it was to me " . Matt Gaetz has just filed a " criminal referral " on Nancy Pelosi for tearing up the State Of The Union Address . Look on You Tube at the political aspects . You will probably find it . ----- Another matter you may not have heard of . Adam Schiff and and forty some odd other Democrats have been caught up taking illegal money " in the Millions of dollars each " . Some if not all received 2.7 million " each " from a Middle Eastern person . That is under criminal investigation .---- Trump fired three people Friday .
     
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  26. watcherchris

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    By Olde Geezer,

    Yup....dependency....not independency. Herding....not freedom and liberty.

    "Wealth Redistribution is not "Risk Redistribution."


    Wealth Redistribution means someone else gets it for free ...while someone else works twice or more so someone else gets it for free.

    One has to be educated in systemic stupidity not to catch this at work. Yet people get degrees in this kind of stupid.

    I notice this in the news every time one of the leftist candidates announce another government give away program to another "Victimized Class" of predictable malleable controllable emotional voters....and on the public purse.

    The common denominator here ...is often that's these voters are a "Victimized Class" in the system....have great emotional appeal.....in lieu of real thinking...and need someone else to pay for it …..for their vote.


    LOL LOL LOL....I'm down here handling uranium 235 to go into these reactors and also removing the spent uranium...and this governor and his bunch of people are worried about me with a gun, ammunition, and or high capacity magazine.

    You gotta be educated to become so giftedly stupid!!!!

    And the hits just keep coming.

    Ishmaelites run wild....trying to herd everyone into economic and social bondage.

    For people who can still think for themselves....the "Victimized Classes" are quickly becoming a ball and chain around the productive working class of Americans...and very noticeable because certain political groups seem highly dependent on them like feeding a drug habit...for votes.

    They must clearly have more and more "Victims" as a predictable , malleable, controllable voting block...which explains the need for so many Illegals on the public purse....votes.

    People are beginning to notice this at work in stacking and or rigging our political process to keep and maintain power in perpetuity.

    So all this economic/social bondage has to be hidden behind the standard shame and guilt technique.....and a predictable one too...."Racism." You can see this one coming too...in particular at election time ..and by "The Usual Suspects"....predictable.

    Certain political groups augmented by the MSM are become so predictable in this racism that people are noticing that it is their political/social drug of choice. They are dependent on it to try controlling and herding America.

    It is become so prevalent and dependent among this sector...that it is also evident that this dependency on Racism...has morphed this sector into professional racists....while trying to frame their competition as racist.
    Van Jones comes to mind but so too the Lemon fellow on Chicken Noodle News.

    They genuinely believe that their professional racism is the moral high ground when it is obvious that they are dependent on their professional racism for power...like a drug.
    The irony is that they are become "Dependent " on racism...not independent.

    You see!!??

    Again...it gets predictable as a herding technique....and tiring in it's predictability.

    Just like Hitler and the Russians.


    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  27. LastOutlaw

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    It amazes me how many white people on the left are heavily invested in demonizing white people. Do they think when the white person no longer is welcome in society that it will not also include them? Do they not realize that they are white? Do they think that the left will say "Oh I remember that you are one who helped us remove the white people from the good list and you will not be persecuted along with the other white people".
     
  28. Duncan

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    In this case, yes.

    Reviewing the background of the cited law from Cornell University Law School, I read that

    (1) It's federal statute designed to prevent people from destroying records in official government repositories like the National Archives. If the law were as far-reaching as the original poster Charlie Kirk* claimed it to be, then you and I would both be in jail if we had seen a copy of our own IRS Form 1040 and tore it up!

    (2) Speaker Pelosi ripped up her own copy of Trump’s address, not the official version sent to the National Archives under the separate Presidential Records Act.


    * Charlie Kirk is a 26-year-old right-wing activist running his own 501(c)3 non-profit called Turning Point USA. His dad, Robert Kirk, was a Project Architect Manager for the Trump Tower in Manhattan. His only post-high school education, as nearly as I can find out, was attending a junior college, which he left without attaining an Associate's degree.
     
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  29. Old Geezer

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    The ANC in S.Africa has its token white fellow travelers of note. Some hold office. Yet, they are tokens, historic items in a cultural museum.

    But, white folk continue to be killed. If lucky, they are simply driven off their lands and not raped & tortured to death. You do not want to see the photos.

    The white farmers knew how to use agricultural engineering to maximize crop output off of marginal farmlands. Those taking over these lands have either primitive farming skills or no skills whatsoever -- black "military" veterans are receiving farm properties in this grand redistribution of wealth and lands. Thus famine is returning to the south of the African continent.

    Two major causes of the famine are: 1) Drought, the south of Africa is experiencing very low rainfall levels at this time. 2) Base ignorance

    If you have the ability to contribute to relief agencies for whites who are now in dire peril, I refer you to the
    following links:

    http://www.safrpsa.org/

    http://www.safrpsa.org/our-mission.html
     
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  30. watcherchris

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    About Nancy Pelosi tearing up her copy of the STOU address.....

    There are much larger more significant things coming down the non evolutionary pipeline than this copy of the STOU address.

    Chief among which is the knowledge and understanding that America has had for many many years now....since before WW1...had a non representative government..versus what the Constitution calls a Republican form of Government...a representative government.

    The Vitriol against this President is evidence to me that he is not in on the fix...the non representative government we have had for so ...so ...long.


    One of the facet of this fix which has taken place is that Senators need to be elected once again by their state legislatures. Senators are supposed to represent the views and needs of their respective states...

    In Amendment XVII Senators were now elected by the people of the various states. What we have now in Congress is two houses of Representatives...not a Senate looking out for the various State issues.

    This is one manner in which the Deep State broke the back or the power of states rights...over the federal government.



    And I have news for many of you....many Churches are in on the fix in keeping their flocks ignorant...of what their religion means in it's entirety....and in line with our Representative form of Government....because it is clear to many of us that our public schools no longer teach this....but instead only the social/political blame game.

    Churches do not need to be subsidized by a government tax benefit....a tax deduction...for this is not separation of church and state...but a government subsidy.

    This is church and state in bed together...not independency.

    When a church teaches and preaches something of which government does not approve ...they can be audited. Churches should not have a tax number...for this makes churches a corporation of the state...again not separation. Very few ministers will teach this to their flocks. For this is planned engineered ignorance on the part of ministers and government both...this non separation of church and state. With a tax number.....church and state are in bed together.....

    The American public needs to know this about Separation of Church and State....what a hoax it is..

    Wow!!!! Now here is something educational for the fabled Fox News to teach the public....
    The non separation of church and state.

    How about it ….Tucker Carlson???? Mike Wallace???

    How about it CNN.....Chicken Noodle News???? MisScarriage NBC????

    This happened many years ago when Pat Robertson and his 700 Club were teaching and preaching on money issues...and were about to expose the new type of phony fiat paper money planned to come into circulation and also on the real nature of the Federal Reserve System.....and this under the Republican Reagan Administration....and the 700 Club got shut down.....audited and threatened....if they proceeded with their programming.

    I was told this by people who worked for the 700 Club as technical engineers.

    None of this was significantly covered by the MSM....in order to protect the fix taking place in government...Republican and Democrat both.


    There are much bigger things happening than Nancy Pelosi tearing up her copy of the STOU.....much much bigger things coming.....

    Buckle up.....seat belts and shoulder harness....trays in the upright and stowed position.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    About this con job in the news and education called...."The Rule of Law."

    Be Warned about the nature of this con...taking place right in front of you.

    I taught myself the nature of this fix..... this con being pulled on us....and long ago.


    This fix is very similar to the misuse of the terms legal and lawful. And lawyers will tell you that they are one and the same ...not so.


    The Rule of Law....???? What happened to The Law????


    The Rule of Law...can mean that the I's were dotted and the T's were crossed....not that the law was kept.

    The Rule of law can mean that only the form of law was maintained...not that the law was kept and supported....that the substance of the law was maintained. Substance...what the law was intended to accomplish.

    Under The Rule of Law....only the form/Appearance of the Law can be maintained and few would know the difference.

    This is very different from the Substance of the Law.

    Americans need to be very well aware of the nature of this substitution scheme and how or why it works.



    A read of Blacks Law Dictionary will tell you the difference in the word Legal versus Lawful.


    Legal pertains to the "Appearance of the law" …..that the I's were dotted and the T's crossed.

    Lawful pertains to the "Substance" of the law ….what the law was intended to do.....to accomplish...not the form or appearance of the law.


    Be very careful and aware when someone out there quotes "The Rule of Law." It is not always what it appears to be.

    Be Warned of Ishmaelites operating behind "The Rule of Law." Republicans and Democrats both.


    My Non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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