Urban Survival???

But hey, maybe that could be put to use.

Get your crew together and make party plans. Start the generator or BBQ grill (wondrous smell) or chainsaw or ... . Wait for the unwelcome guests. When they arrive, open up on them. Hang their bodies where their cohort can view their own future should they follow in the path of those who came before. With motors and strings and pulleys and things, you can make the bodies wave "hello".

 

Absolutely vital info, safety first. Cables can kill or maim.

 

http://mtnscoutsurvival.com/class.php?class=794

Good morning all,

The above link tells of an urban survival course presented in the Central Park, New York City area. I post this to establish that our urban compatriots are not lost. Efforts are being made.

A couple of years ago I helped rewrite a high-rise condo associations emergency manual. The building was in a large West Coast city.

If you look at a map of a large US metro area - eg New York City or San Francisco and environs, you'll notice that JFK airport is next to Jamaica Bay. It takes skills, practice and experience to handle this area. Jamaica Bay is no Rockefeller Center.

I live in a rural - but not remote - county. There is no question that urban areas are the most difficult to deal with concerning our subject-matter. Yet, it is not pure population density; it is the probability of disease typically found in concentrated population areas. Think of cruise ships and their gastro-intestinal mass infections. Again; my quote "not pure population density". A rural area with a busy road ... think of the Katy Freeway parking lot Houston, Texas area, the bridge-tunnel road connection between Virginia Beach and Salisbury, Maryland (Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel [When tolls eliminated for an emergency, anticipate traffic congestion]), ... Humans are vectors of disease and germs.

Here is the funny part: it's not really funny; just gallows humor ...... Some urban dwellers are more prepared for SHTF than MOST of my rural county's population !

Prep, prep, prep.

Rinse or flea dip, then ...

prep,prep, prep.

 

If what they were saying is true I was very pleasantly surprised to see the things New York City had put in place to improve their disaster preparedness including: methods to get people out of subways and elevators, lists of people living in high rise locations that would need assistance in exiting their location. Maybe some people do live and learn when disaster strikes.

 

I don't think so, Tactical. We usually see eye to eye.

When mass-psychology kicks in, that's it. You do not want to be anywhere near a herd of people who are untethered to rationality. I'm biased. I've worked with patients w/psychoses. My dad's "business associates" used to keep the corrupt cops (most cops back then) greased.

I believe that establishing a protectable perimeter will be next to impossible in places of high-density population.

Then there's the matter of police or FEMA coming in, ripping off your jaw, and taking a dump down your throat. Look what the goons did in New Orleans after Katrina. They disarmed the civilized and left the gang-bangers alone. In New Orleans, a certain segment of the police force broke into a Ford dealership, drove SUVs to SAM stores and WalMarts and looted the places using their newly acquired SUVs to haul the booty back to their own cribs.

I am like 100 / 100+ miles away from major urban areas. My sense is that I am WAYYYYY too close. Really, it's one reason that I want to return to my home region -- so that I will be hundreds (plural) of miles away from such infectious boils.

 

Urban areas are already lost. Get out, now!

It's NOT just the poor areas. Swank areas, even gated communities, are seeing robberies.









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"Teenagers" shut down an armed forces weekend carnival

"Tinley Park police cancel carnival after flash mob involving 400 teens"

 

Certainly if one looks at a city like London, one can see that it is wholly dependent on external influences. Clearly enough food cannot be grown within the city to feed the population (actually that has been the case with London for centuries, animals were driven into the city of butchering back as far as mediaeval times). During WW2 parks and gardens were turned over to food growing but, even the, vast quantities of food had to be brought in from the surrounding countryside.

As food, water and shelter are the essential needs for humans I would suggest that a SHTF scenario that affected London would not be survivable for the majority of its population.

 

The U.K. itself imports food.

All the farmers of the U.K. can't feed the cities. Cities cannot even feed one-twentieth of their own population. Cities need an umbilical cord to the Heartlands to exist. Cut off the railways and highways and they die. Just turn off a city's electricity and it will die. Cancerous tumors are just like this -- they soak-up nutrients; it's one reason why cancer patients sometimes waste away into skeletons before they die.

 

I keep one of these in each of my BOB's/GHB's....just in case..


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Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Just in case.....for water access in certain cases...should I be forced to move....afoot...in this city or another..

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

If there was, say for example pandemic (that actually killed 40% of the population in urban areas - a real one not the trumped up silliness we saw during the earlier Covid outbreak) and rural areas were largely left unscathed we might just get away with it.

 

Just cut-off the cities for food. Feed your own selves and let the socialists die.

 

Given the circumstances here in the fall of 2023, I'd just write-off urban areas as any place a person would want to be post SHTF. I would include the suburbs adjacent to the cities' business districts. In the Atlanta metro area, crime is soaring 10+ miles out of the center of the city. One has to get way out from Atlanta to begin to hit anything I would call semi-peaceful.

Coastal cities are almost always the worst, whether it be an ocean, a Great Lake, bay area, or a Gulf Coast town. St. Lois (specifically East St. Louis which is mainly minority occupied), Atlanta, Memphis, and Phoenix are inland, yet dangerous.

Ybor is a district in Tampa is super place to buy great cigars ... hopefully, you'll make it out with your skin. I've bought cigars in Ybor when in Tampa for convention meetings. Want a dynamite Cuban shirt, Ybor is the place.

This year's Ybor City's Halloween party went way sideways last night at 3:00 AM. Two crews opened fire on each other, so a pot-load of innocents caught lead and bled. Two folk were killed outright. If you are ever in an American city and the place is mainly minority, get out before the sun sets. This advice is for white people, Asian people, black people, any people. Being black sure doesn't make you safe. Most violent crime in Amerika is black-on-black violence. Good and responsible black folk move out of their neighborhoods when their neighborhoods go sideways. Some, especially the elderly, haven't the means to get out. Joining a branch of the military is one often used mechanism of escaping poverty and sketchy areas.

Ybor / Tampa is representative of urban area gone 3rd-world.




One of last evening's victims who died was only 14 years old. One wonders why a 14 yr old is out at three AM.






This current shooting is nothing rare. Tampa in the past 6 months has seen an ongoing stream of violence:











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ-Krk0dKak


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wva4aIIx5wQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbvhSX2vJ-s

 

It certainly appears that our politicians do not give a monkeys about rural areas. One only has to look at the denigration of our farmers to see evidence of that.

We put up with sub standard water supplies, sewage systems, internet and phones communications, poor roads etc. But, of course, we pay the same taxes and costs for the services.

 

Maybe when the elitists find the grocery stores empty due to these unseen farmers no longer sending food products to the cities, they'll start paying attention. Problem is that by then, national matters will have gone so far sideways that the system will be irreparable. Too bad. So sad.

 

Given how far society has devolved and how dependent urbanites and suburbanites have become, I'd say that the people living in such areas are basically doomed during a full-bore SHTF scenario. After what's happened in the past five+ years, I'm including suburbanites.

Not only are >98% of suburbanites unprepared, their immediate proximity to urban areas also sets them up for both attacks by out-of-control urban packs and even attacks by their own neighbors.

I remember when hurricane whichever hit Staten Island doing lots of damage and shutting down the electric power, one man being interviewed saying that he'd seen a man he knew from his own neighborhood engaged in active looting. This took the interviewee totally unawares and really bothered him. I heard his voice. He was genuinely shocked. He should not have been shocked. People do not understand people.

The Israelis attacked just this past month by Hamas and looted by Palestinian civilians were taken totally unawares. They of all people should have been the most prepared and yet they were not even marginally prepared. The military garrison located there was not prepared. The kibbutzim security forces were under-prepared. The civilians were unprepared. This lack of preparedness resulted in murder, looting, rape, and utter devastation to their communities.

Preppers understand and it's now way past time for those still living in their own fantasy world to learn from the mistakes of those who have perished.

American urban-dwellers, I wouldn't know what to tell them. I don't want them moving here -- that I do know.
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New York city blackouts occurred in 1959, 1961, 1965 (major, Northeast USA, "The Great Blackout of 1965", 30 million affected), 1977, 2003, 2006, 2012, 2019 (very minor).

During the Great Blackout of 1965, everyone pulled together. Citizens were seen in the streets directing traffic. There was a full moon that ameliorated the darkness and prevented many traffic accidents. The most significant outcome was a baby-boom 9 months later.

During the blackout of 1977, chaos was seen along with lots of looting.

1965 to 1977: During that period, societal cohesion had degraded that much. We all know what would happen here in 2023/2024 were the power cut off to major cities for a protracted period of time.

The glue has dried-out and cracked. Nothing is left to hold the pieces together.

 

I well remember the 1977 blackout. I had a newspaper delivery round and it was on the front pages. I could not believe that people would go out and steal if there was a power cut. I have learnt so much since those tender years.