Water Requirements for Survival

Discussion in 'Finding, Purifying, and Storing Water' started by Aneye4theshot, Jan 21, 2016.

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  1. Aneye4theshot

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    How important do you think water is in survival? Water is a very important resource when it come to survival. Some symptoms of dehydration are a dry sticky mouth, sleepiness, thirst, dry lips, headache, constipation, and dizziness. More serious symptoms can occur if you get to dehydration but hopefully, these tips will help. There are a variety of ways to obtain H2O some easy others more challenging, but it is vital that you stay hydrated to stay healthy and fight off illnesses. Bathing is optional with drinking water but jumping in a lake to wash up is more ideal. Now you need to know how much water you need to survive daily.
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    On average in a calm, moderate climate, you should be trying to consume at least one liter or more a day. But the situation changes in more extreme environments.For example in a very hot and humid climate like a tropical island or sometimes forest you need to consume up to three or four liters a day.Your body needs more water in harsh environments because our bodies are not used to these stressful situations in particular ones such as extreme heat or cold. Keeping fluids in your body will also help lift your spirits and help you stay motivated. Staying hydrated is just another battle in a survival situation.
     
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  2. Charles R. Stevens

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    Wile it is often quoted that one needs a gallon of water plus or minus for survival, this is only for drinking not for commissary and hygien. One should estimate 5 gallons a day, two for personal needs and 3 for commissary needs. This covers hydration, cooking and sanitation. This assumes water conservation is in effect.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    I have always been told we need 2litres(half a gallon) for drinking purposes alone, add in bathing, cooking and hygiene uses, I've generally allowed 5 litres or a gallon per person per day in my planning, just to be on the safe side, I think any more than that is over using especially if one is conserving water or it if the supply is limited.
     
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  4. Charles R. Stevens

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    Two liters (1/2 gallon) is minimal for sedintary activity and mild weather (60f) the problem comes when one looks at long term survival. Cooking, cleaning, bathing, laundry and drinking all require water. Not to mention moderate to heavy labor in hot or cold environments.
     
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  5. lonewolf

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    you ever tried drinking 2 litres? that's a lot of water to consume, as for the rest unless one has an inexhaustible supply of water we have to be careful with our water consumption, the old fashioned "strip wash" will again be very popular.
    water consumption post SHTF will be very different than it is now with water literally on tap(faucet).
     
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  6. Charles R. Stevens

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    Bud, most of you kids drink a two litter soda at one sitting, basic I drank two quart canteens on the way to the range, then after reffilling (and drinking a third) was forced to drink a forth because both my canteens where full. Been 30 years, buy I am a farrier now, and still down a quart of water at a time.
    Two litters per day is bare minimal for proper kidney function for a kid setting I front of a keyboard under the AC.
    I have taken plenty of baths out of a canteen cup, and the information you have available is vallad as far as it goes, but it's incomplete.
     
  7. lonewolf

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    if I drank 2 litres i'd be spending all my time peeing!!! oh and I aint no kid, BUD!!
     
  8. Charles R. Stevens

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    One one goes beyond bare nesesity for a week and starts planning to survive long term one has to think about dishes and laundry.
     
  9. lonewolf

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    I wouldn't be worrying about dishes and laundry after a week, when you've lived alone for long periods like I have.
     
  10. Charles R. Stevens

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    Lol, I tend to sweat it out. Yea I see your about old enugh to make a horse trainer ;-).
    We are arguing the point from only about 5 degrees separation. Their is a difference between keeping body and sole together for a week or two and keeping health and happy for a season or three.
     
  11. lonewolf

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    one week or two is water off a ducks back so to speak, i'm planning for something much longer term.
    i'm not sure how long it takes to make a horse trainer:p but I've "been around the block" a time or two!!;)
     
  12. Charles R. Stevens

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    Solo or a group? Men, women, children, animals all ad to the dinamic. I'm used to thinking in wife, two daughters (grown and replaced by two lovely grand babies) a string of horses and a grumpy ol' dog.
    I base my figures on personal experience and military logistics. But your mileage may vary...
    Not trying to be antagonistic, but two like minded individuals trading ideas (and calling each other on their BS when appropriate) it's never a good idea to get to thinking your the smartest kid at the lunchtable ;-)
     
  13. Charles R. Stevens

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    Good horse trainers have to live long enugh to consistently think above the waist. Any one who thinks trying to make a 1000 animal do something is a fool, (Larsen the sexist comment) much like a good woman, much healthier to figure out how to make them want to (even better if they think it's their idea ;-).
     
  14. lonewolf

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    my experience is based on personal dealings with other people, a life times experience of all sorts from hookers, drug dealers and users, Hells Angels to company directors and Lords and Ladies.
     
  15. Charles R. Stevens

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    Good, a well rounded circle of friends...
     
  16. lonewolf

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    we have to deal with all sorts in a lifetime, and maybe will have to post SHTF too.
     
  17. Charles R. Stevens

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    That we do, lol. Good to have some on on your 6
     
  18. lonewolf

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    not sure about that, not many people I trust, maybe about 3 I would trust 100% the rest-no way.
     
  19. Charles R. Stevens

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    I understand that, believe me. I have been blessed with a hand full of friends, true friends. But the truth is you have to sleep some time, or catch the flue and can't check traps or collect fire wood. Wolves have packs for a reason. Worse case is to be alone
     
  20. lonewolf

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    I would rather be on my own, really alone, than be with people I don't trust.
     
  21. Charles R. Stevens

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    Believe me, I understand. The real monsters in this world go on two legs and have pretty faces.
     
  22. lonewolf

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    I agree about the two legs, not sure about the pretty faces though, some are dead ugly!!:eek:
     
  23. lonewolf

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    I have always said, its not the event that will kill you, its the actions of other people that will.
     
  24. Charles R. Stevens

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    Or your own, lol.
    Don't forget, more often than not Angels wear unglued faces.
     
  25. lonewolf

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    maybe, but i'll take my chances alone, I know what they are, with other people(not family) one never knows what they will do.
    I've been a loner most of my life so being alone isn't unusual for me.
     
  26. Charles R. Stevens

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    I do understand the centament, infact I share it (tho I have less faith in all but a bare handful of kin). I believe it falls under the heading of good tactics, poor strategy. Short turm it works but long turn it's riskier. For me it's a case of my heart versus my head.
     
  27. lonewolf

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    I prepare long term, I believe in the long run the "die off" of the unprepared, the diseased and the addicted will take care of most of the undesireables, the few that are left we can deal with.
     
  28. Charles R. Stevens

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    Yes sir, problem is when the sheep are gone it only leaves the sccavangers/predators and the prepared. The prepared we can work with, the others we do have to deal with. If the world spirals back into feudalism I would prefer not to be a serf to an unjust "King" .
    Unfortunately, when you have a "lead, fallow or get the hell out of my way" mind set, "leaders" see you as a threat as, all to often do the sheep.
     
  29. lonewolf

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    I don't think i'll be around long enough to worry about feudalism creeping back in.
     
  30. Charles R. Stevens

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    Ah, your an optimist! Lol
     
  31. lonewolf

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    more of a realist.
     
  32. Charles R. Stevens

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    It's my belief that violent hierarchy is the default for human society, it's what we fall back on. When every one is playing fair the strong protect the week and the week support the strong. Unfortunately the strong usualy start taking advantage.
     
  33. lonewolf

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    I don't think that just because feudalism was prevalent "back in the day", that it would happen again in a post SHTF environment, again I think what happens may be dependent on the "die off" and as 99% of my countries population does not prepare in any shape or form, and any who does is seen as "odd" or "weird" , I think that this die off will be huge, quickly escalating into the millions once the food stores are empty and the mains water and power is down.
    the actual number of survivors in a country of just over 64 million will be quite small, and smaller still in my rural area where the numbers are small to begin with(my parish population numbers only 2,000).
     
  34. Charles R. Stevens

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    I don't fault your numbers but might I point out that most "informal" organizations are built on the fudal model? Organized crime being a prime example, but the topical clique at school works the same way.
    We see the same with "warlords" in the third world.
    In a situation where our current Goverment tanks, some one will move in to fill the power vacuum. Be it the local group of thugs, disinfanchised police/military or what ever. For y'all across the pond, it's worse as only 3 groups have fire arms, criminals, police and the military.
     
  35. lonewolf

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    and farmers, gun clubs and gamekeepers.
     
  36. Charles R. Stevens

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    A fouling peice?
     
  37. lonewolf

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    not sure what you mean.
    shotguns mostly.
     
  38. Charles R. Stevens

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    Fouling peices are a specialized type of shotgun for bird hunting
     
  39. lonewolf

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    I don't have much experience with shotguns, wife had a .22 and a .410 when she was younger.
     
  40. Charles R. Stevens

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    .410 is nice, mom has a mossberg pump. 3 ball .00 is available, and old .45 colt work as slugs. A single shot break open makes a nice survival hunting weapon.
    12 gauge pumps, with a short barrel (18" min in the US) is an excellent multipurpose survival tool and defensive tool. .00 lawenforcement loads have an effective range of 25m/y this will take most large game and peaple. Standard slugs reach out to 75m/y wile .50 callaber sabbited slugs have a range of 150m/y . Not a battlefield weapon but for forested urban inviroments it is a very effective weapon, wile also providing a good tool for hunting small-large game.
    Most shotguns are "fouling peices" with very long barrels and "chokes" to concentrate small shot for hitting pheasant, ducks and geese on the wing.
     
  41. Arkane

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    Around my way six months of the year it is hot and humid like 35c in the day with minimums overnight of 25c
    Not really hot at all, but with 80 plus humidity sweat is a 24hr a day thing!
    Add some work in PPE and it was a regular thing to consume 8-10 litres of water a day
    with maybe one litre through your bladder!

    I would be lucky to make sunset on day one without lots a water!

    As to washing no water is needed when sweating heaps, just a good towel down is about it as you never really dry out!

    But that is where I am! even in mid winter the thermometer rarely dips below 10c even over night!
    One record cold night it dipped down to 7c I bloody froze! nearly invested in a heater next day but have not needed it since!
     
  42. lonewolf

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    i'm in a mild northern climate, dosent get too hot, dosent get too cold.
    minimum advised requirement is 2.5 litres or half a gallon per day, that's doing very little, not moving about too much, and that's just drinking and a bit for cooking. anything more and you increase the quantity.
     
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    I honestly learned in Katrina that everyone's water need is different, particularly if you are considering sanitation and cooking, not just regular consumption. The amount of water consumption just simply needed for hydration is much different per person as well. A 6 year old child needs less water than a 220 pound man, especially one that is trying to hunt and find food for his family or is relatively active in one way or another.
     
  44. lonewolf

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    allow about 1 gallon(5 litres) per person per day in a mild climate and you should be okay.
    general advise these days is not to ration it too much, its better inside of you than not.
     
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