What Gun Is The Easiest To Obtain?

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  1. Keith H.

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    What is the easiest type of gun that you can obtain where you live ( long gun & handgun), modern or antique?
    Keith.
     
  2. Tom Williams

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    Any walk in buy it background check takes few mins
     
  3. Arkane

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    Visit old friend
    get given two .22LR rifles free!
     
  4. ToTang45

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    I'm in Australia.
    I really have no idea, as it's something I've never looked into.
    Probably something to do with hunting though.

    I've never even really considered getting a shooters license though.
     
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  5. Bushdoctor

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    The easiest gun to get in the UK is a legal limit air rifle ( limited to 12 ft/lbs muzzle energy) which is perfectly capable of killing a rabbit with a head shot out to 60 yds. It is not too difficult to get a licence for a
    shotgun (shotgun certificate) but it is quite difficult to get a licence for a cartridge rifle (firearm certificate). Handguns/pistols are totaly banned in the UK.
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    there are 10,800 registered shotguns in Devon and Cornwall(population 1.65 million).
     
  7. TexDanm

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    Walk across the room and decide which and what kind I want. I actually am not sure exactly how many firearms I own at this time. I have guns in every room in my house except the bathrooms.
     
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  8. Keith H.

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    How about antique firearms Bushdoctor, how are they treated?
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  9. Mekada

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    In South Africa obtaining a firearm works like this:

    Firstly you must attain firearm competence. In order to do that you must pass both a theoretical and practical test in each of the classes that you wish to own a firearm in.

    The classes are:
    Handguns: Any semi auto pistol or revolver.
    Shotgun: Semi auto, pump, over and under, side by side and lever action shotgun are all legal.
    Self loading rifles: These would be your hunting rifles or any other bolt action type rifles.
    Carbine: Only semi auto rifles are permitted. Things like a 10-22 also fall into this category.

    Once you pass you must take your results to the police station and apply for a competency certificate from a CFO(Certified Firearms Officer). These take anywhere from a month to 3 months to process.

    Once you have your competency you may now purchase a firearm.

    After filling in a huge amount of paperwork for your license (these include the make of the firearm, personal details, a motivation as to why you should have this particular firearm and provide credible references) it is processed. It can take as little as 2 months but I have heard horror stories of guys waiting for nearly a year.

    At some point in the process they contact your references and come to your house to inspect your gunsafe. If you pass the background check, you will be notified that it has been approved.

    Then you have to wait for the card to be printed in the capital, which can also take about 2 months. Once it arrives at your local police station you can collect it and then finally pick up your firearm.
     
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    Antique and 0bsolete firearms for which ammunition is no longer available can be owned in the UK without a licence for collection and display purposes only but if you wish to use them you would need to
    get the appropriate shotgun or firearm certificate.
     
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  11. Keith H.

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    SOooo, you could in fact obtain one of these guns,rifles,pistols & hang on to it until tshtf, then you could use it. It is exactly the same here Bushdoctor.
    Keith.
     
  12. James98

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    In Canada we have 2 types of licence
    1. non-restricted which is any rifle or shotgun that is not automatic with a few "scary looking" rifles added in there too
    2. restricted which is all handguns and "scary looking"rifles (like an AR-15)
    non restriced is the easiest to obtain which consists of a 1-2 day course and a background check
    non-restricted firearms are no longer registered meaning that the government does not track them meaning that they can not know for sure how many you have.
    restricted firearms are registered and have a ton of loopholes that you have to go through in order to stay legal
     
  13. Mekada

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    Good to know... I hope to one day move to Canada and its good to know that I can have a pump action shotgun without too much of a hassle. The handgun thing though is problematic. I do know that people are limited to 10 rounds in a magazine there.
     
  14. James98

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    Hand guns are limited to 10 rounds because the government thinks that if it can carry more than that the gun is capable of doing way more damage ... or you could carry an extra magazine. the laws are, like everywhere else written by people who do not know what they are talking about that is why things like semi auto AK-47 are restricted, not because they are more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle but because they are "Bad Guy Guns" and "Look Scary"

    Hand guns are limited to 10 rounds / magazine and rifles are limited as well. all rifle magazines that are designed to carry more than the allowed number of rounds are sold with pins in them that stop you from putting more rounds in them. if you really want they are easy to remove however the magazines are then illegal and if you are caught with them it will not be a good day.

    Another thing about a restricted firearms licence that I did not mention is that the law states that if you have one police can come to your property without warrant and search it. I have not heard of this ever happening but they still could. you also need to get a permit to transport a restricted firearm meaning that every time you want to go to the range you have to pay for a permit to take it there. Now i believe you can get a general permit that says you are allowed to carry to and from the range for x number of days so you do not have to get a permit every time but it is very annoying.

    you also can not carry any restricted firearms on your property they must remain locked up.

    I am getting my non restricted. it would be nice to be able to have handguns but it is just not worth it with all of the rules associated with it
     
  15. Mekada

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    Wow that is rather troublesome. Could be worse though. Australia's gun laws are the absolute worst. Over here we have 3 categories:
    Self defense : these are generally handguns and most of the our people tend to purchase it. You are not allowed to have owb holster showing your firearm. If it's covered then it fine as concealed carry is the law here. I understand why they did it this way. People here are targeted for their firearms and killed.
    Sport shooting guns: for competition or range plinking. People here put things like ak 47's or 22lr's on this one. The little 22 rifle is much harder to get than the ak 47 ironically, due to poaching. Most people with a shotgun put it on this license. You can use them for self defense but you will have to provide a very good reason. They must generally be kept in a safe.
    Hunting license: pretty much the same but it just pertains to hunting. Most of these are bolt rifles.
     
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    Regular, Title I firearms are a piece of cake. Title I is regular rifles, shotguns, and handguns. The rifles must have a barrel length longer than 16" and an overall length of 26" to be Title I. The shotguns a barrel length longer than 18" and an overall length of 26" to be Title I. Pistols can have any length barrel, but no shoulder stock. In most states, you just pick out the gun, they run a background check, and you complete a Form 4473. Generally done and out the door in less time than most pizza deliveries.

    Title II firearms, which include machine-guns, silencers, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, destructive devices (e.g., grenades, rocket launchers, etc.), and AOWs (an oddball category included disguise guns) are harder. They involve either a Form 1 (making a new one) or Form 4 (transferring an existing one), a tax ($200 for most, $5 for AOWs), fingerprints, photographs, a background check, and a long wait (6-12 months). And the state one is in must allow the item. Most do, but some don't. Also, you can't make new machine-guns, so existing ones are mondo expensive.

    Muzzleloaders are not "firearms" federally, so it is just cash and carry in most states.

    Flamethrowers, somewhat bizarrely, are completely unregulated at the federal level, though two states (CA and MA) regulate them.
     
  17. Old Geezer

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    Me, I figure one registered firearm for every ten or fifteen. How about that estimate? What would be your estimate?

    There are millions upon tens or millions of black market weapons available in continental Europe. Felons, of course, get first dibs. When the Soviets fell, here in America, one could buy ANYTHING Soviet / East German: clocks, socks, rifles, ammo, any manner of military clothing/coats, boots, ... purchases of UAZ-649 vehicles eventually flopped and what a shame that was. Those Russian versions of our Jeep, would drink anything, not unlike the soldiers who drove them. They had a engine crank handle (watch your thumb!). Crude = it will run / it can be fixed.
     
  18. Keith H.

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    I disagree. In Australia you can legally own handguns if you join a club. In some states it is legal to use the handgun inside a chassis kit, effectively turning it into a carbine. In most states you can only use a handgun for target shooging at an approved range.

    All long guns except semi auto rifles and semi/pump action shotguns are freely available if you have a licence, which is available to practically anyone with no serious criminal record.

    In many states even .50 cal sniper rifles are freely available.

    If you are willing to jump through the required hoops you can still legally own semi automatic and fully automatic firearms here in Australia.

    Now what were you saying about our gun laws being the worst?
     
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  20. Keith H.

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    I have not heard of this one "In some states it is legal to use the handgun inside a chassis kit, effectively turning it into a carbine". Which state/s?
    Keith.
     
  21. LilSoldierGirl

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    QLD is one. Perhaps Victoria as well. Did you know that high capacity pistol magazines can be legally purchased without any licence in Victoria?
     
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  22. Bishop

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    Here in the states anyone can go and I do mean anyone can go to a flea market and buy any type of gun they want most with no back ground check but that gun could also be stolen also a lot of gun shows sell guns with no back ground check personal I will not buy a gun from anyone that will not do a background check I have a concealed weapons license and I can go into any gun shop and buy any rifle or handgun after doing the paperwork and they call the feds after that I can walk out with either rifle
     
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  23. Keith H.

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    No I did not know that, but then again pistols, including matchlocks, wheellocks & flintlocks are only available on an H class licence in NSW & can only be used on a pistol club range.
    Keith.
     
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  24. Mekada

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    Even in comparison to South African gun laws which are very stringent, yours is bad. We can have all of those you mentioned if you can motivate it without belonging to a club or organization. I am glad to see that the gun culture is alive and well in Australia though... i thought they had disarmed you all.
     
  25. texsun54

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    In the US if you live in a free state you are only limited by how much money you have to spend.
     
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  26. Mekada

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    I envy you for having that. I have been trying to get my Shotgun for months.
     
  27. Neiltarquin

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    I think it's th AK's. It's like all over the world. So it's obvious anyone can have it.
     
  28. Billy02

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    air gun hahaha
     
  29. lonewolf

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    nothing wrong with an air gun, an air rifle is good for most small game.
     
  30. watcherchris

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    I own two air rifles...as much as I reload my own ammo...I have two .22 caliber air rifles. One a break action and the other a pump action.

    One of my .22 caliber air rifles....you can change out the barrel and make it a .177 air rifle.

    My friend to whom I often talk via ham radio out in the State of Tennessee....has .22 air rifles and even an air rifle in .45 caliber....which has a 3000 psi air tank on it.

    Both of us have plenty of gun powder firearms..but still believe in keeping around an air rifle.

    Do not discount an air rifle in the hands of someone who knows how to use it. Air rifle ammo around here is plentiful and not regulated. You an buy as much as you like or can afford. Nor are the air rifles regulated.

    And air rifles are often much more quiet than gunpowder propelled tools.


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris

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  31. lonewolf

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    I was brought upon air rifles and had at least one, sometimes more, most of my life.
     
  32. TexDanm

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    Walmart sells guns here as so Academy and any other sort of store that sells sporting goods. Some of the Grocery stores and even some of the convenience stores sell ammo. Guns are just are part of our live here. I know more people that go out and shoot with their friends than people that bowl.
     
  33. Ystranc

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    As LW says, air guns are common in the UK, shot guns are also much more common then most people think but the shotgun certificate restricts the number of rounds a shotgun can hold whereas shotguns listed on a firearm licence can have full size magazines holding more than 2 shells. You must also hold an FAC if you wish to fire shotgun shells holding less than 5 shot. In the UK there are various classes of firearm but rimfire in .22LR and .177HMR are the most common being the easiest to get and are often a starting point for those wanting to gain firearms licences for larger centre fire calibers. For each caliber you must be able to show a firearms liaison officer (from your local police force) that you have reasonable cause to own one eg. Pest control or hunting, target shooting etc. You must also be able to show that you have secure storage for your firearms.
    The licence has each caliber that you're allowed to own listed along with a log of ammunition purchased. I'm currently only licensed to have rimfire and .223 in my possession though I would have little difficulty getting a variation for anything up to .308
    You don't have to do any of the detailed paperwork for a shotgun certificate, you just must have no history of mental illness, no criminal record, have the ability to fill in a simple form and pay the licence fee.
     
  34. Ken S LaTrans

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    In Arizona...a free state, in a supposedly free country....other than NFA items (which you can still get legally and I have my share of)...you can get any damned thing you want that you can afford. There is no "registration" with the state, though in dealer sales you still have to fill out the federal 4473 form, but in private sales there is no paperwork and no "permit to purchase" or other such nonsense needed.

    Screw you snowflakes (speaking editorially).
     
  35. Ron88

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    Hi Keith. This is my experience.
    In South Africa i purchased a handgun for self defense, from the time i started the process until i actually had the firearm in my hands took just over 24 months. I have a clean record and no prior offenses. Our system is plagued with incompetence and corruption.

    I then became a dedicated sport shooter and purchased a rifle for sport shooting purposes. I am currently waiting 5 months now.
    Moral of the story... In south Africa... any firearm you can get is a good one to have.

    P.S. I chose 9mm and .308 for relative cheap ammo prices and availability.
     
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  36. Ken S LaTrans

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    It is sad the once most beautiful nation in Africa has gone the way it has. I was there in 1992. I doubt I would recognize it now.
     
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    I have travelled Africa quite a bit i have experienced many different cultures countries and religions, SA is by far the best on the african continent, the only issue is that the population seem to have an attitude of entitlement. They expect everything for nothing, this becomes problematic as the “ local “ cultures are naturally quite aggressive in general. When you mix this with no education and the government bs propaganda being fed to them it creates quite a lot of uncertainty to ones future here.
     
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    @Ron88

    One of my closest friends, Ian, is from SA. He emigrated here to the states when he saw the writing on the wall when the terrorist leader Mandela was going to be released from prison. South Africans in the US make some of the best Americans I have ever met.
     
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  39. Ken S LaTrans

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    I'd like someone to name on single nation on the continent that didn't turn into a cesspool after a return to "native rule".
     
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    Ken if it was not so expensive to move there i would pack up my family and be there in a heartbeat. I have an uncle that has been there over 10years now.
     
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    Ken if it was not so expensive to move there i would pack up my family and be there in a heartbeat. I have an uncle that has been there over 10years now.
     
  42. Ron88

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    Thats a good point. I cant think of one!!
     
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    France 1945
     
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