What kind of firearms??

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by TexDanm, May 15, 2016.

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  1. TexDanm

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    The decision about guns and the many different kinds is a very volatile subject for many. What I offer is strictly MY personal opinion based on my skill sets, experiences, knowledge and local. I have been in the gun business, had a Federal Firearms License and worked as a gunsmith. I have a lot of guns and have also done custom reloading for a few people over the years. I used to hunt some but mostly have preferred to shoot at nonliving targets.

    First off if you are not sure that you can kill then you are better off without a gun. In the end that is what a firearm is for and you have to deal with that or having a gun is not just useless but even more down right dangerous. A lot of people are just not mentally prepared for this responsibility and along with the problem of the mental effects of using it there is an even greater possibility that it will make you think that you are seven feet tall and armor plated.

    For survival purposes, the one sure way to always survive a gunfight is quite simply DON'T get in one. If you don't have a gun your mind set will be more aimed to avoidance and stealth. That in itself can be a good thing. A lot of people are going to go GI Joe and that is going to make keeping a low profile a very good survival strategy for a while until the nuts get thinned out.

    Now onto the nuts and bolts...First I'll talk about the military knock offs. In my personal opinion the current military looking simi-automatic rifles are just not the best choice for a survival weapon. They have several problems and not a lot of true advantages. First off they are NOT really assault weapons. They are made to look like it but the fact is they are SEMI-automatics not full auto and that is a disadvantage. You see the M-16 knock offs like the AR-15s are lesser imitations of a weapon that is more based on political and upper level military strategy than actual combat value.

    The way to win a war isn't best done by killing the enemy. The aim rather is to cause injury. The 5.56 is a pipsqueek round that is further handicapped by the military only using full metal jacket to minimize the injuries. The thing is when your enemy become unable to care for its wounded the troops lose their will to fight and start to surrender in mass. Assault weapons are by design not very lethal. The next problem with them is that they just EAT ammo and you as an individual in a post apocalyptic mess you don't have ammo drops or evac. When you are out of ammo you are in DEEP trouble. If you get shot you are just totally messed up. That means that if I shoot you I want you down and dead right fast before you can hurt me. If you are on the move ammo weighs a lot and I am going to want every shot to count. That is not what an AR or AK is designed to do.

    If you move away from the assault weapons and move to the battle rifles the situation changes. The 7.62 is a much better choice and even the old 30 carbine is pretty good as far as stopping power. There are also several new rounds like the 300 blackout that are substantially better stoppers. Unfortunatly though they are also still based on military aims that are not always very survival friendly.

    If you are ex-military and have been in combat you have a little better idea about what fire control means but even then your mentality is based on a lot of things that you won't have available in a survival situation. ANY wound stands a good chance of being lethal!!! More ammo is going to get harder and harder to find and guns are noisy and in a world where you need to keep a low profile cutting loose with a multiple round burst just might not be something that you want to do. I know that if I hear someone cut loose near me and mine I'm probably going to come looking for you to see what you are up to. A single shot might mean someone just got supper but a burst needs to be checked on. When I come hunting you I won't be walking tall or loud. If possible I will check you out through a rather powerful rifle scope. Your big bad assault weapon won't help you a bit.

    If we get close I'll be the guy with the big old shotgun that's throwing lots of lead in big pieces. A 12ga shotgun shooting #4 buck shot throws 30 22 caliber pieces of lead every time I pull the trigger. That is the same as an AR-15 does if you empty a 30 round clip.

    I'm sorry, I know going Rambo sounds good but in real life the bad guys shoot back and some even aim. For the purpose of survival you will be better served avoiding trouble and ending it quickly if it becomes unavoidable. Understand, if you are gut shot by a 22LR and don't have a doctor with you then you are going to die slow and hard.


    Next post will leave this and talk about hunting type firearms and their various advantages and disadvantages.
     
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  2. Para173

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    Here's something else to consider: ammunition loads. Most people don't understand that the different caliber rifle bullets have a LOT of different weight to them. A guy carrying a .223/5.56 rifle can easily carry a lot more ammo than the guy carrying the 7.62 NATO/7.62 Winchester rifle. In Viet Nam our guys often carried about 20 magazines of .223/5.56 ammo with 18 rounds per magazine. So that pretty much amounted to about 360 rounds ready to go. The guys with the M-14 rifles carried about 10 magazines with 20 rounds per magazine. That meant about 200 rounds of diplomacy was ready for them to use on any given day. The reason that the guys with the M-14 rifles carried less ammo was because (A.) their cartridges were longer, heavier and took up much more room on their belts. In addition (B.) any more gear would obstruct their ability to maneuver/run. So, there was a trade-off in American ammo.

    The communists, however, used a basic 7.62 cartridge that fell in between the size of our NATO 7.62 and our 5.56 as far as length and weight was concerned. That's why the 7.62 X 39 is such a popular cartridge. It gives the user a medium diameter bullet with a medium weight bullet to use their shooting needs. But this all purpose round has its limitations in range. The 7.62 NATO can outdistance it by a factor of about 2.5 times if not 3 times. In addition, while the AK-47 rifle, the primary user of the X39 ammo, is a very reliable rifle, it's not as accurate as it could be. All of the M-16, M-4 and the old M-14 rifles are much more accurate.

    So some people choose their firearms based upon what their future tasks will be or are anticipated to be and whether they will be moving around a lot. If you plan to move around a lot, you might consider going with the smaller size and weight cartridges (.223/5.56) so you can carry more ammo. If you plan to work out of a base camp facility, the larger 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester rounds might better suit you. If you plan to establish a camp in the wilds and want a reliable rifle with a medium caliber bullet then consider the 7.62 X 39 cartridge in the form of an AK type rifle.

    But no matter what happens, any rifle I choose will have a scope mounted on it. On that you can bet your bottom dollar, ruble, yen or pound sterling. I believe, from all my experiences, that I should keep a good rifle, good pistol and a good sheath knife handy if I must face combat of any kind ever again. Toss in a hatchet or tomahawk and I'll be ahead of the game this time.
     
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  3. Arkane

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    My rifle of choice is the same two I have hunted with for the last 25years!
    First is a HOWA .223R with a 26in heavy barrel it has a fixed 6rd mag and a great 4-16x50 scope on it as well as a sling
    I shoot 1/2moa groups all day every day with it range, bush, standing or prone
    I wont call myself a sniper but a marksman yes!
    Second is the same as above but in .308W ! and it is awaiting a new scope at present!

    I use QD scope mounts and have at least one pre-zeroed backup scope for each!

    I would take the .223r in most cases!
     
  4. Tom Williams

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    One choice for gun if only have one would be 12g shotgun the wide selection of shells for this weapon you can do alot a simple single shot to a semi auto style all would work well
     
  5. Arkane

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    The 12g is my main backup gun, only a single shot break-action but simple as
    The 12g is my only tricked up gun with a torch and lazer sighted for slugs! awesome for pigs in low light!
    the other gun is my .22lr and subsonic ammo a rather quiet combination! I had a heap of .22lr shorts but although they are very quiet they are next to useless, with such feeble rounds you need great accuracy but drop is so much over so few meters that it just aint worth it! plus they do not feed from a regular .22lr mag or eject properly!
     
  6. Tom Williams

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    ONE THING THAT IS A MUST. TO UNDERSTAND YOU MUST USE THE PROPER AMMO FOR A GUN THE CHAMBER WHERE THE CASE FITSIS MADE TO LOAD AMMO OF ONE SIZE. MATCH AND USE THE RIGHT AMMO
     
  7. Arkane

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    Exactly why I got rid of a .243 and a .270 as they were too close to the .308w!
    Same with a .17R and a .222 too close to .223R!

    Went hunting in a hurry once grabbed the .308w and a box of ammo, travelled eight hours to the hunting property and when loading up thought something was wrong!
    And it was as I had grabbed .243 ammo! what a waste of a weekend and 800km of fuel!
     
  8. Tom Williams

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    The barrel of a rifle is clearly stamped as to what works in it 22 are caps short longs longrifle and magmun placeing wrong ammo in a chamber causes damage to a firearm in barrel area the chamber is larger than the barrel. Fire a short in a magmum gives the bu llet a chance to misalign in chamber before enterinng barrel causeing damage to barrel place a mag in a long rifle it builds pressure and firearm blows up in your face proper ammo is a must
     
  9. Tom Williams

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    A 12gg shogun shell comes in 2 3/4 3 and 3 1/2 in sizes again the barrel is stamped. As to the proper size shell that works but the shooting of slugs threw a shotgun with screw in chokes tubes a 3in slug threw a full choke isnt right and may blow the barrel up slugs today are made for rifle barrels with a open choke
     
  10. Tom Williams

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    The idea. Of homemade firearms is dangerous. Brake line for 22lr shells pipe for shotguns. The pressure made by ammo is great dangerous. Its just crazy
     
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  11. Arkane

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    12g slugs do not need rifled barrels!
    Rifled barrels will improve accuracy a little but not much
    Some speciality loads may require rifling but that is not common!
    Only real problem with shooting slugs is the tighter chokes might build excess pressure
    but that alone will not fail a shotty unless it is some sort of super magnum load!

    Modern guns in sensible rounds do not fail!
    YOU CAN NOT OVERLOAD A .308W WITH ENOUGH POWDER TO BLOW IT UP by itself!
    it needs the addition of another problem, usually an excessively heavy or oversize projectile or the incorrect powder
    to actually blow a modern quality firearm!
    Same with the .223r
    But any case where a full charge only half fills the case has the potential to blow up from just a single overload charge!
    .357m can easily be overloaded with the correct powder type and projectile to blow the gun up!
     
  12. Arkane

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    Home made firearms are easy and safe
    SO LONG AS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!
    If you don't know what you are doing a single mistake will have consequences!

    So if you don't know don't try!
    Stay with a sharpened stick, they work better in houses anyway!
    A sharp six foot spear with a sling/lanyard is a very handy thing inside !
     
  13. Tom Williams

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    Im trying to teach the safe use of a firearm something ive done for many years proper use of a firearm and care of firearm is a must for your safety i own a 114 dufferent firearms and plan on getting more thats just me you do your thing full choke tube in shotgun shoot ing slugs isnt wise
     
  14. Lakeisha Brown

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    Okay, so I do not hunt. All I am familiar with are military weapons. So for survival what type of weapons you think are best? I have a pistol but nothing else.
     
  15. Tom Williams

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    A 12g shotgun in some form is a great choice the loads for them you can hunt small game to deer and loaded right they are a great defense weapon i myself use a mossberg ulti mag. Pump mine has changeable barrels sold as a combo unit with this any 12g shell will work i repeat any 12g shell will work !the smoothboe comes with choke tubes that are great for small game the rifled barrel shoots slugs to 120 yards for deer or. ?
     
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    Here's what I've learned over the years:

    Handguns are for close range personal protection. Handguns are a back-up tool for a shoulder-mounted firearm of some kind. If my shoulder-mounted firearm jams or break I automatically switch to my handgun.

    A shotgun is for hunting and close range tactical work. In 27 years as a cop, I investigated pretty close to 24 incidents where people were shot with shotguns. Out of those 24 people who were shot, only 2 survived. One man lost his left foot because of a shotgun blast and, in another case, a girl took a blast of "dust" in the buttocks area. All the other people died. Some were suicides, some were murders and some were accidents. The key here is that shotguns deliver a powerful and effective amount of effectiveness when they discharge. One other thing about shotguns that many people fail to appreciate, their effects are immediately felt. There is no reaction delay when you shoot a person with a shotgun. When you hit a guy in the chest with 00 buckshot at close range he drops right now. He doesn't stagger around or whine about being shot. He falls back and down to the floor.

    A rifle is used for precision and long range shooting. Some people will tell you that you shouldn't use a rifle for personal or home defense. BUNK! You use whatever you practice with and feel comfortable using for your defensive tool. Next time somebody tells you that you shouldn't use a rifle for personal defense, point out to them that just about every SWAT team around the world is using rifles of some sort for most of their members for their personal defense tools.

    My survival firearms package is simple. I have a scoped rifle that is backed up by a handgun. Those two firearms are backed up by a sheath knife. Somewhere around the manor (house) I keep a tomahawk or hatchet as well. That is what I used and had in Viet Nam for my last 7 months over there. It worked well in combat for me so it should work well here for me if things go bad.
     
  17. Tom Williams

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    My choice for a military surplus rifle only semi auto i have in rifle is a m14 i have one that 3006 hits ya you morenlikely not getting back up
     
  18. Arkane

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    Too hard to get semi-auto's over here so I stick to bolt actions with glass!
    My rifle sends a 55gn .223 pill out at 3550fps at less than 1/2moa!
    Glass is 4-16x50 scope with illuminated reticule!
    I hit soda cans 100% out to 400m and 80% to 600m!
    I do not do suppressive fire or spray and pray stuff
    When I fire a shot it most always hits where it was aimed!
    Rifle is not the lightest but it is the best!
     
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  19. Keith H.

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    Your choice will depend on many things, what you can handle, the situation in which the gun will be used, what its purpose is, & are you travelling alone or in company?
    For home defence I prefer a shotgun, .410 or 12 gauge. For defence on the trail or in camp, .22 because the ammo is light. If I were travelling alone & can only carry one firearm, I choose a flintlock muzzle-loader, either in .32 or .62.
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  20. jeager

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    If I needed to be away from home and traveling I'd have my Ruger S.R. 5.56 and a Ruger h-bar
    .22 auto pistol.
    If I'm home I'd have.............................a LOT of firearms to choose from and plenty of ammo.
    In my not so humble opinion the .22 rim fire rifle is the "go to" gun for survival.
    Not for defense but taking edible small game.
    For defense I have plenty to choose from.
     
  21. CamdenBC

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    Three of the best weapons, in my opinion, are pistols, shotguns, or assault rifles. The reason that pistols are my favourite is because they can be used in many situations. For example, if you have to go somewhere in some what of a rush you can just holster it and be out the door.Another reason why they are the best is because they can be used in close quarters to mid range distance if you have the accuracy, and they aren't just good for protection either they can be used to hunt some pretty good sized animals that you would be able to eat during a survival situation. Then there are the shotguns they are good for almost everything from hunting to protection, during a survival situation you could use the shotgun to fend off big or small predators while scoring yourself some pretty good meat just as long as you can use as little of bullets as possible since the spread shots would spoil a large portion of the meat, unless you use slugs. And finally the assault rifles these like the shotguns can be uses for almost anything but they do provide for much larger range although they are quite slow to shoot unless you have a fully automatic. So those are the three things that I would pick from during a survival situation.which ones would you pick?
     
  22. jeager

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    Those are the three I'd pick.
    Also get proficient with all three.
    Have plenty of ammo ready to go also.
    I have LOTS of guns and ammo and will bug in.
    My situation dictates bug in is far better than bug out.
    I'm down to 50 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo.
    hum??????????????
    Only thousands????
    Better go shopping!
     
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    About having lots of ammo:
    It ain't getting any cheaper very fast.

    Or did I say that already?

    C.R.S. !!

    Can't remember squat!:confused:
     
  24. Keith H.

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    I have to disagree with you re the shotgun & the rifle. The shot from a shotgun will not spoil the game unless you are too close to the game, & in the case of large game, if you were too close yo could take a head shot. Rifles are not slow unless you are using a single shot. A handgun is always a good idea if you can obtain one & become proficient with it. No offence intended here Camden, but you are coming across as though you have had little experience. It is always best to say that it is just your opinion or idea & that it is not based on any experience.
    Keith.
     
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    I agree with Keith H.
    A shotgun is a darned good survival/hunting tool.
    I use my trusty, never breaks, 860 Remington Express with 26" vent rib barrel and choke tubes
    using the improved cylinder more than any other.

    I still have a rifled slug barrel for it but rifles in certain calibers are legal in Ohio for deer now.
    I use the "knock 'em down right there" 45-70 Marlin and 4 X all steel Weaver glass.

    Before rifles were legal In Ohio it was shotgun and slugs only.
    Still I practiced with them a lot and got good with the smooth bore and slugs taking over
    50 deer with that weapon and load.
    I could get 3" groups at 100 yards and that's plenty far with a slug.
    The 3" groups were a result of a lot of tinkering with the shotgun and with the ammo.
    I took one deer with my Kimber 1911 .45 auto.
     
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    I like my little .22lr with its screw cut barrel and silencer, it's currently mounting a scope with subsonic reticle. It's not really much of a weapon but it's a bloody good tool.

    The best defensive tool in your toolbox is your brain, always keep it with you.
     
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  27. Keith H.

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    I agree, I think in a rifle the .22 is a good choice whether it be air powered or rimfire. The price of ammo is reasonable, & it is light in weight compared to other modern firearms. I have three .22 rifles. But if I could only take one gun with me if I had to leave home, I would still choose my flintlock muzzle-loader fusil or rifle.
    Keith.
     
  28. TexDanm

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    If I had to leave and could only have one gun to take with me...

    The lowly 22lr in a Rifle will kill just about anything in North America or Europe. NOTE, I said kill. That doesn't mean that it will always do it with a one shot drop. For a defense weapon you need to either take very carefully aimed shots or shoot them a lot. The strong point that they have is that their ammo is relatively cheap even now and it is light enough to carry a lot. I prefer the Ruger 10-22 because with the various accessories you can make it very portable, light and with big magazines able to lay out a lot of fire power.

    I know that it isn't as powerful as a hunting rifle or battle rifle it isn't even as powerful as an assault rifle but it will get the job done in most cases. For up close I would much prefer a 12 ga shot gun and for long range a scoped rifle but the shotgun and its ammo is just to heavy for providing both a hunting tool and a defense tool. A 22lr will provide a lot of meals and a lot of protection. for a long time. A shot gun with 50 rounds is a pretty good load all by itself. How many rounds of 22lr does it take to match the weight of a box of shotgun shells? I'm going to have to check that. A high powered rifle even one in the 5.56 size is just total over kill for small game.

    For me I am looking farther down the road than just the short term. Truthfully I don't think that there is going to be a shortage of guns where I live. I plan on laying low and not looking for trouble. I don't have any desire to go Rambo or GI Joe. I'm afraid that if you are too well armed and not trained you may not understand that all it takes is one person and one bullet to take your guns away from you. I can hit a playing card at one hundred years with my 10-22. You might never see me or even hear the sound of the shot that killed you!!

    Go light, go quiet and don't make yourself a target. Always have a back door or a priests hole. In the end the meek may well inherit the Earth just by being the ones that survive.
     
  29. Tom Williams

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    For hunting after shtf im useing a 22cal airrrifle a very affordable beeman came with two barrels 117&22cal for just over 100 bucks at walmart this will be used for small game for deer and such i will use a bow both quiet easy to carry they will both put food on the table rifles and shotguns will be for defence only yes a 22 rimfire is a great round many uses for one 100 yards is possible but my suppressed 308 s can do 1200 yards and father with right shooter useing them
     
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    Being in the UK we are not allowed firearms and a normal civvy like myself would find it very hard to find one. I would have to make do with a knife or something easy like that. Hopefully, I would find a group to join, or get together with my neighbours to all club together to help each other. I couldn't imagine killing someone and wouldn't like to. If I was with a group of people then we could all club together to help out rather than having to kill. I wouldn't worry about eating meat either. But I would worry about anyone wanted to eat my dogs. They are good guard dogs as well and the little one would jump up like a rat to attack. So luckily I don't need weapons. Just my charm!
     
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  31. Keith H.

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    When I was living in the UK there was no problem getting a licence for a shotgun, & air rifles did not require a licence. These days in the UK you can join an 18th century living history group & get a licence for a muzzle-loading gun. These groups are fairly popular in the UK, & well worth joining if you are into long term wilderness living/survival. Through such a group you can learn primitive skills & it will give you a family oriented group you can depend on if the SHTF.
    You would probably find it hard to kill someone with a knife close in, with a gun you are a little detached. Hunting with a knife is also difficult unless you are able to get close enough to touch an animal. Defense against others who are better trained & better armed may not be made any easier by having other people with you. You need to learn how to use a bow or a gun, that is just plain common sense.
    All three of my guard dogs were shot, so you can not depend on your dogs. You may want to get in with a group, but it is important that you become as self-reliant as possible. You will not only be expected to be able to protect you & yours, but also protect other members of the group if required.
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  32. lonewolf

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    Firearms are not illegal in the UK, but just WANTING one is not enough, you have to have a valid reason for needing one, shotguns are a bit easier than say a hunting rifle and an assault rifle is probably a no-no.
    what puts most people off-me included- is the Police home check that goes with the licence request, you need a safe place to keep the firearm and I believe the ammunition has to be kept in a separate place.
    my BIL has just got his FAC so I know it is possible to get one.
    you have to remember also that in general the urban population in the UK is not only ANTI hunting but anti gun too.
     
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  33. TexDanm

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    Off on a new angle if I couldn't have a gun then I would have a bow and a lot of arrows and a Cold Steel bushman knife/spear head. I would also consider making and learning how to use a sling. The Cold Steel Bushman is a relativly inexpensive knife that is made from a single piece of high carbon steel. The handle is a tapered hollow tube made for mounting on a handle.

    https://www.amazon.com/2010417-Cold...8098&sr=8-1&keywords=cold+steel+bushman+knife

    A spear is better than a knife for defense and this is a very good knife that can be put on a haft in a hurry. I make all of my walking staffs so they have the taper already on them so I can mount the knife in about 1 minute. Even the butt end of my shepherds crook is done like that. I made a short piece that stays in the handle with a long wood screw in it that makes a nice handle butt and allows me to have the screw always with the knife for mounting.

    While I live where guns are easy to get and without any real regulations I nonetheless have plan B always in the back of my mind. I have a lot of guns but then I also have 3 bows, a dozen or so swords/machetes, one battle ax, 4 tomahawks and just more knives than I can count. I also have a mace and morning star and a creature made from a wooden baseball bat with a circular saw blade mounted in the end of it. Oh, and 4 aluminum baseball bats brass knuckles, and a Black Thorn walking stick.

    I like weapons. I always have had a fascination and so collect them. If it has an edge on it I probably have a few of them. I'm seriously thinking about a cross bow next.

    At least in Great Britain everybody is in the same boat. Since guns aren't easily available then everyone won't have one. Here an unarmed person will be sort of defenseless against the multitude of armed crazy people if things crashed. Unfortunately like here the people in the places where guns are rigidly controlled will find that criminals don't worry much about breaking the law and WILL be armed to the teeth! Laws only affect honest people that obey laws the rest do whatever they want to do.
     
  34. Ystranc

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    Not so, if you can show a reasonable need to use a firearm you can apply for a licence to own a rifle and ammunition of a caliber suited to your needs
     
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    My police firearms officer is a very nice lady, a pretty blonde girl who could arrest me anytime she liked.
     
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    your lucky, our local firearms officer is a hairy bugger, he belongs to our local gun club.
     
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    Well, I've never met any firearms officer! As long as they knew what they were doing, I wouldn't mind a hairy bugger or a cute blonde. :D It would just be the protection they could offer. I would consider that they knew how to use a gun if they are inspecting owners.

    I never knew that it was legal here. that is a surprise to me. I knew that we could have air rifles. Saying that though, I've never been sure on licensing guns in the UK. I think in a time of catastrophe, then laws would go out of the window. It would be every man for himself unless he was in a group that was sharing all they had together. If those times ever did come to pass, then it would be better to be in a group where at least one person is armed. Although, any newcomers to the group should be welcomed as survivors and allowed to join. And not shot unless they are a threat. But then there is the use of guns to kill animals for food as well.
     
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    The problem is that if you don't have a gun before the shtf, you are not likely to be able to obtain one afterwards. One person with a gun is not sufficient to protect a group of people, unless that person has a lot of ammo & the whole group is in a good protected position. Even so, under excessive fire, the enemy will be able to move in closer if they can not be repelled by more than one shooter. I have done it, but we were lucky that no one got shot. Using one firearm for hunting & protection will use up ammo fast if you are using a modern breach-loading gun. If you are serious about survival in a possible TEOTWAWKI situation, get yourself a licence & gun as soon as you can.
    Keith.
     
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    A neighbour of mine does have an air rifle. He let me have a go on it. I had been drinking, well, we both had actually and maybe we shouldn't have started playing about. He set it up safe enough though, and he did surprise me when he collected it from upstairs. He rested a chair on its back and drew a red X on the base and bade me try and shoot it. I'm normally right handed and so I tried that way, with my right hand. Well, God only knows where the bullet went because we couldn't find it anywhere. He told me to have another go but use my other arm instead. So I did it kack-handed with my left hand and got bull's eye the first time! Ha ha. Then he decided to put it away quickly! I wonder why?
     
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    It depends if you're right or left handed and also which eye you sight with. Your dominant hand would be your trigger hand, your index finger would be your trigger finger.
    Your dominant eye is a little more difficult to explain but choose a fixed point a couple of meters away, raise your index finger so it is between yout eye and the fixed point. Close each eye in turn and you will see that your finger moves out of alignment for one of your eyes but remains aligned for your dominant eye. This will be the eye that you sight with. I have no idea why but most people feel the need to close the other eye while they sight, this is a bad habit to get into.
    Breath gently, as you breath you will see the target rise and fall in your sight as your lungs expand and your body moves. Stay relaxed and part way through you exhalation pause your breathing at a point where the sight is on target, squeeze the trigger smoothly. Concentrate on the feeling of the trigger for the first few shots, feel for the point of resistance if the rifle has a two stage trigger,as the gun fires continue to squeeze the trigger gently so that the movement follows through smoothly.
    At this point it's just about getting a feel for the gun (they're all subtley different) as long as you are firing at a target with a safe back stop I would not worry too much about accuracy on your first attempt
    It will help if you are sober though ;)
     
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    Were one to plant a metal object(s) in a wooded area, that individual would be well informed to plant hundreds of other metal objects in that same area -- say big metal cans that had been destined for the landfill. Metal detectors go off on whatever is metal.
     
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    I spread waste metal all over the place, rusty bolts nuts, offcuts of most anything steel, lathe waste is good, just toss it all over the place!
    I have dug up all my caches!
     
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    Wey Hey! That was interesting. Just done the finger thingy between a fixed point a couple of meters away and it really does work! Except though, that it is my right eye that is dominant. I can read and write, backwards and forwards with both hands (great quality to have!) but it is the right hand that I use mostly. So I would say that apart from being ambidextrous, I am mostly right handed. But that was the way I couldn't fire straight though. I wonder if it was my dominant eye open or my left eye? Strange, I want to have another go...... Perhaps when the beer has run out lol!
     
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      Since you're right eye dominant and right handed you should have no problems borrowing a rifle to practice with:D
       
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    I hope you do. Even if it's only shooting paper targets with an air rifle it gives you an appreciation of the discipline needed in using firearms either competitively or for hunting. Best advice to any beginner is to join a club.
     
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    Now that would be interesting, to join a club. I think I will have a look and see what is in my area. I always wanted to do clay pigeon shooting but never did. The only shooting I've ever done was at a fair, and I always did quite well and won the prizes.
     
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    Try holding right handed and using the right eye, then left handed using the left eye! which ever way feels the best go with that and stick with it!
    Trying to aim/shoot with the opposite eye just screws everything up! for most it is easiest to go with strong side hold and use non master eye than
    use the master eye and weak side hold!
     
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    What a gun club will do is give you the basic techniques, an opportunity to practice and safe environment to learn, it's also a great way to network with others who have the same interests...this in turn can save you a lot of money when buying your own guns.
     
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    Just make sure that all that weight in modern ammo does not compromise any other priorities in your pack. There will be no supplies where we are going, no air drops! We are on our own!
    Keith.
     
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