What Would Happen If......

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  1. Third Pig

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    Several years ago as I recall Entitlements failed due I believe a Computer malfunction. There were riots in the streets. If the current Gov. shutdown continues to the point that Food stamp and similar programs cannot be funded, what do you think would happen?????
     
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  2. TMT Tactical

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    A lot of welfare recipients will be jumping up and down screaming and Nancy and Chuck are going to start creating stains in their pants. These are their voters, not President trumps. The self entitled are going to want their food stamps back in a hurry.
     
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  3. TexDanm

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    IF, I don't think that even the stupid people that we have elected would allow it, the benefits at all level of government were to just fall through there would be a lot of different things happening. I say different because people in different places will have different actions and reactions.

    The big cities in California would burn. Riots and looting seems to a a common reaction among the welfare people in places that cater to them. They aren't rioting because they care...It is just a good opportunity to steal and act like animals and got get in trouble.

    In places that allow good people to be armed and protect themselves and their property won't have the same sort of problems. Riots like they have in LA would turn into blood baths in Houston and the blood wouldn't be the people that the rioters attacked. There would be protests and a lot of whining but there would also be a lot of help out there for the people in need. We don't let people be hungry here. Immediately all the churches would start serving meals. several of our Texas based grocery stores actually have huge truck kitchens that show up and feed people in emergency situations.

    Places that are totally dependent on government to handle all problems and emergencies will have hell but places that are a lot less dependent and more self help based will do a lot better. Whee I live the fire department is made up of my neighbors. Every little community has its own volunteer fire department. We don't have police per say. There are deputy sheriffs but counties are big here and the number of people on the force is small. We handle our problems and then the Cops come and write up a report or haul the bodies off.

    Small towns will do fine in general while the bigger cities will suffer. In small towns you have low income people that receive assistance. They are poor people but they are working and putting a roof over their own heads. In the big cities you have projects where people live that don't/won't work and provide NOTHING for themselves. These people will be problems. You just don't have that level of worthless total dependence outside of the bigger places.

    There used to be an expression... "beggars can't be choosers" Now days our weak liberal government has forced us to accept that " Beggars can be DEMANDERS" If the welfare teat dries up it is going to be a total affront to those people and they will DEMAND their unearned and undeserved goodies.

    I know that I sound harsh. I believe in helping people help themselves. It used to bother me that the people that refused to work and were totally state supported had a higher standard of living than the lower end working people. They had newer cars, more expensive clothes, they ate better and were provided with every small thing that they could wish for and yet they STILL acted like animals that were mistreated.

    Honestly something like this could be like a little fire in a fireworks factory and once it starts won't be easy to stop.
     
  4. lonewolf

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    even someone on welfare could put back a stockpile of food, a little at a time, it all depends on how you spend your cash, but most would rather have the latest mobile phone and a widescreen TV that takes up most of the living room wall. and most smoke and are alcoholics or druggies .
     
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  5. Duncan

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    Idaho, especially eastern Idaho, has a pretty high LDS population. They don't play "welfare"; when things get bad, they go to the Bishop's Storehouse ready to work at whatever they're asked to do, knowing they and their families will be taken care of. Most members either have a year's supply of food squirreled away or are working on it.
     
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  6. TexDanm

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    LDS, Amish, Mennonites and such will be way ahead of the game IF they are able to defend their communities, stores and farms. A lot of the off side faiths have pacifistic leanings that won't work in the kind of situations we envision. If they can handle the roving bands they will be the rich of the post apocalyptic world.
     
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  7. lonewolf

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    not only do these faiths want nothing to do with firearms or other weapons, they are non violent, which isn't good if they are attacked, but it all depends I suppose on how far they are from the big cities, I always thought they were very rural.
    i'm not a big believer in the "golden horde" theory, I think its over rated, especially here in the UK.
     
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  8. TMT Tactical

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    I think the LDS will do fine. Every Mormon I have known owed firearms and knew how to use them. As for the others, pacifist could be in for a tough time.
     
  9. lonewolf

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    I was thinking more about the Amish who I believe are pacifists.
     
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  10. poltiregist

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    The most spectacular shot I ever witnessed was made by a Morman women ,Her and me crawled up on a band of antelope then stood up , she took out her antelope shooting offhand at 500 yards . This also was in Idaho .
     
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  11. Old Geezer

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    Answer to most "what if" this happened or that happened is that cultures and regions rather self-sufficient in nature would have a tendency to come together and work out whatever needed to get worked out. I'll reference the proverbial paradigm of a small community with a base of disciplined people who possess among them the varying skill sets when combined cover the core needs of said community. One would seek such. Me, I've seen this good stuff happen myself and have had workmates who have also witnessed such cohesion. It's easy to say that such is rather unlikely -- I'm cynical to the max -- yets it does do happenzez. Go figure.

    Over 90% of the folk who are members of this survival forum, myself included, have stated in various and sundry threads that they haven't much, if any, hope for those living in densely-packed urban areas. Hey, we all know why. Witness in recent years some slight negative event goes down and they decompensate, scream for help, and often experience looting sprees. Therefore given a REAL catastrophe -- tens of thousands, maybe millions of people killed in a geophysical event or war -- they will sh## their pants, commit suicide, get killed by those going into animal aggression mode, attempt to run away, ..., not pretty.

    And governments go bankrupt. During the 20th century, over 20 countries having fiat currencies went bankrupt when their "money" hyper-inflated out of existence. USA, over 20 trillion dollars ($20,000,000,000,000) in debt and heading higher and higher ad-infinitum. Don't worry, be happy!

     
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  12. Morgan101

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    The outcome would be determined by the severity, and the duration of the shut down. The longer it went, and the more people it affected the uglier it will get. I really don't think that people would starve. Churches and charitable organizations would step up before that would happen. The hardest thing to determine is the difference between the truly needy and the truly lazy.
     
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  13. Ystranc

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    In the UK there is currently a change over from weekly benefit payments to a monthly system called universal credit. It means that people who are claiming it have a five week gap with no income as they transfer from one benefit system to the other. It has caused real hardship to many, some have resorted to crime and prostitution in order to get by. Many of them have been sanctioned meaning that large percentages of the benefit is deducted. In the end this just shifts the financial burden onto another government department like the prison system, NHS or children's services. It seems to be a false economy so far, the system is a bit fucked up over here at the moment.
    The end result will probably be that the socialists will get into power at the next general election. Not good news at all!
     
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  14. poltiregist

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    This sounds even worse than what the US citizens are being feed , which is bad enough . I am sure there just like everywhere s0me people can't handle the truth and will prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend everything is great .
     
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  15. lonewolf

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    the trouble with universal credit is that it includes everything including peoples rent and it is therefore open to abuse as people have so much money in one payment and they can spend the lot and I can see a lot of evictions happening over unpaid rent, once that happens people have made themselves "intentionally homeless" and will get no help from officials.
    if labour gets in at the next election then gawd help the country, they have a history of "spend, spend, spend" and will bankrupt the country, the current labour leadership are a load of Marxist/communist sympathisers and aren't fit to run a fish stall never mind a country.
     
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