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Discussion in 'What do you believe? Predictions?' started by Doraglier, Mar 3, 2019.

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  1. Doraglier

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    Ok, aye... all right, lemme straight say this up... what's going on here? I mean, this is nothing like I thought it'd be. It seems (I may be wrong, but I'm probably not) that most folks on this forum are deranged lunatics that believe that some sort of apocalyptic phantasy world is coming to get everyone. It also seems that these very folks are all from rich and developed countries. CUT THE BULLSHIT!! *echo* Did the reliable security and high life quality of your country got you bored so you had to come to a place like this to feed your delusions!?

    I'm from a poor country. Miserable. There are armed militias walking on the streets with assault rifles hanging out of the car windows shooting dead everyone that looks them wrong. This is REAL DANGER. That's why I came here, to gain a greater knowledge of urban survival skill and improve my chances to remain alive while I work on getting my ass outta this living hell. You guys... most of you aren't helping out. Spend less time stocking shit for the zombie apocalypse and starting thinking about how to protect yourself from all of the urban violence for Fs sake. Wake up people!!
     
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  2. Sourdough

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    Do you grasp how strange that you are 20 y/o and have serious survival concerns, and you blast us. Try taking the first step......assume full responsibility for how your live is working or not working. And make changes. We are where we are in life because we stopped blaming others for the condition of our life.

    There are plenty of people in American cities like Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. that have the same life threatening dangers that you experience.

    It is not the responsibility of anyone on this forum to save you or improve the quality for your life. That is your job.

    What we see coming is what has motivated us to make the changes, often drastic changes to enhance our chance of survival. Your pissing and moaning to the members of this forum ain't going to change the quality of your life.

    Most of the people on this forum are older then your grandparents. I am 72+ y/o.

    You may be 100% correct that you have come to the wrong forum, if you expect us to fix you. Grow some gonads, and take responsibility for your own survival. That is what we had to do.
     
  3. TMT Tactical

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    You got armed militia running around, are you armed and if not, why not? They got guns, so guns must be available from somebody. What do you expect to learn from this forum or any forum for that matter? If you want specific information, ask specific questions. Yes most of us don't live in h*ll holes and there is a reason for that, we would not stay in a h*ll hole. We take responsibility for our actions or inactions, such as staying in a h*ll hole. Don't like it there, not safe there, get the heck out of there. See simply advice.
     
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  4. Oldguy

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    So you live in a shithole!
    Well matey why is a shithole a shithole?
    Because it is full of shit people!

    If you find the gonads to leave please leave the shit there , please do not bring that stuff with you.
     
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  5. Oldguy

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    where is the auto censer?
     
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  6. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Like yourself, many of us are interested in preparing for the events that you mentioned and asked about on this forum. Some of us, myself included, have dealt extensively with shockingly severe urban violence and have hardened our homes and lives accordingly. But as you can see, some here have also ramped it up to more advanced disaster preparations.

    Historical records show that just one or a few bumps in society's beltway are enough to send us all into a long-lasting tailspin. Speaking for myself, I don't wanna be caught chasing my tailfeathers if and when a severe SHTF situation happens.

    Different people are preparing for this in different ways. In many societies, it won't take much to leap from "normal" to absolutely crazy. Your country especially. USA, definitely. Other countries, yep, for sure.

    We older folks have seen more crap than younger folks can even begin to imagine, which until reading your post just now, I never imagined that it would be a good thing. At least, we are not clueless about what the "new normal" will look like, BASED ON HISTORY. It is there in writing for all to see. Go look, and picture society falling apart tomorrow. It will be worse than anything in the history books, I guarantee, because today's society is so ill-prepared for a single bump, much less a series of bumps.

    Beyond the most active threads on the surface of the pile in ANY survival-related forum, you will likely see the answers you seek, if you stop freaking out long enough to look for practical information you can use right now (there is plenty enough of it).

    Here is just one of many examples:

    https://mysurvivalforum.com/threads/home-invasion-defense.5485/

    Also, there are some forums that also have special sub-sections for defense without a gun. Maybe this is what you need, but it may not do you any good because you may have to wade through too much disturbing preparation-talk for the very real prophesied and foreseeable tribulations soon to come on the earth.

    Some here, including myself, believe in the old saying that "the best way to winning a gunfight is not being there," and plan to retreat from danger rather than do the Fort Knox thing. But I guarantee that if found, intruders wishing to take our lives will think that they have discovered the gates of hell itself because we will defend ourselves and our families.


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  7. elkhound

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    i dont live urban..if i did i would be working a plan up to get out. i worked my plan decades ago to get a base of operations bought and paid for. i worked till it hurt..i wouldnt spend a dime...i often couldnt get undressed at end of day and upon sitting in chair fell asleep...yes it was that hard of work and very long hours.

    i am glad i did as 'things' and times we live in have only got worse each year since i bought land.i am poor now as the jobs i often worked no longer exist and in some cases i no longer am able to do them. but i made them count for my long term daily survival as i get older and the world gets worse.

    i wish you good luck in forming a plan and then working a plan to a more secure future.
     
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  8. poltiregist

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    I don't know what the laws are in your country on owning or occupying land . But can see one possible solution , find a few similar minded people pool your resources and form a survival group in a remote area . Personally I locked the door on a relatively nice paid for house and walked off from it to let it rot plus quite a few acers of land to start over in a more survivable location . That turned out to be a very good decision on my part . Sometimes your environment situation is bad enough to justify giving up material wealth and walking off . By the way I didn't sell that house because of my respect for my siblings , I wouldn't just let anybody move in by them . Twenty or so years later that house still remains abandoned .
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    What sniveling crap. We don't have that sort of thing in most of the US because we as a people would not tolerate it. If things are so bad where you live then you might need to get off your duff and do something. Have you ever heard about the American Revolution or the French revolution or any of the other many fights that free nations all fought rather than live as your people have chosen to live!

    Most places that are as you describe are that way because they are not willing to fight for their own freedom. Over and over my country has fought and died for other peoples freedom. In the end that freedom only lasts as long as we are willing to stay there and keep dying. As soon as we leave it all falls down. I'm sorry but history seems to indicate that freedom is not something that can be given. It only works when you are willing to fight and die for it yourself.
     
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  10. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Hate to say this, but our own country is a gnat's azz from being a lot like Doraglier's country.

    Our age group will likely be the last generation that gives a flying rat's butt about things like freedom and all that goes with it.

    The next generation in office will very likely produce the very same things that Doraglier is dealing with, and you will probably get to see it on TV from your own room in the nursing home (or house).


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  11. TexDanm

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    In the places ruled by the liberals like Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City this may be true but freedom and the individual willingness to fight for it is alive and well in other places. It thrives in Texas and most of Louisiana once you get away from the big cities are well protected. I was raised in Beaumont right across the river from Louisianna. I KNOW the heart of the Cajun people and have no concern for them ever laying down and being less than free men. I am sure that there are a lot more people like us than like the animals and their keepers in the inner cities. They just get all the news coverage from the leftist controlled media.
     
  12. Old Geezer

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    Doraglier:

    I am a deranged lunatic. One eventually slides into the whole howling at the moon lifestyle.

    You are from a country where, as you yourself describe, the people are incapable of controlling their glandular urges. I'm thinking that even if you get out of the big city, you'll still be surrounded by too much hormonally-motivated mayhem.

    We are likely too stupid and too old to be of any service to you. Look for some slick paper magazine detailing martial arts moves and how to make toothpaste out of borax and Karo Syrup. Since any self-respecting gang-banger has an AK, why not get yourself one of these lead sprayers! Can't go wrong.
     
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  13. Sourdough

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    It is over for America, It is over for the NATO alliance. Things will deteriorate shockingly fast now for America and Americas allies. Most of Americas allies will have to join the Russian-China-India-Iran-Syria-and the whole continent of Africa alliance.

    America dealt itself inflicted fatal blow, when it miscalculated thinking it could keep its power by sanctioning Russia. It so grossly over sanctioned Russia thinking it could compel Russia the capitulate. And America continues to pile on more and more sanctions on Russia. Russia controls the oil and natural gas that all of Europe is compelled to purchase or die.

    That is what the Syrian war was all about, trying to save Europe with a gas line through Syria. Now with that failure and with Turkey joining the Russia-China alliance all of Europe will have no option by to abandon America or die.

    Now or very soon America will not have any country it can blackmail into having to purchase American debt instruments. Which will cause interest rates to explode higher, triggering a huge stock market crash, which will drain all union pension funds to bankruptcy, causing wide spread civil unrest and depression, with massive labor strikes, just like we had in the 50's and 60's.
     
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  14. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Cajuns inhabit a tiny part of deepest, darkest Louisiana, but the rest of the state is slowly going nutz with the very same people I spoke of earlier (the ones that like the color blue, not red). Texas has some holdouts, similar to the Cajun nation, but seems to be slowly going to the color blue as well.

    Cajuns and Texans are a tiny group compared with the rest of the country...

    All this makes me want to leave the mountains and return home to the deepest swamps and never come out again!

    I hear Doraglier, and fully understand his plight because I believe we are headed that way too.

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  15. TexDanm

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    What you don't understand is that the sheeple that make up the vast majority of all populations don't count. The blue that you see in Texas is mostly along the border and in the Megalopolises. Take a thousand true liberals and put them up against 50 conservative rebels. The liberals are not veterans, they don't have guns or hunt and they totally depend on cops to defend them. The conservatives are ex-military hunters that have had and shotguns for their entire life. If someone breaks into their house they will FIGHT because it is their nature.

    The 50 will accept the surrender of the Thousand just as the French have surrendered to the Germans every chance that they get. Those who WILL fight will always conquer those that won't. Think for a bit, who exactly is the military made of? The left has always been an enemy of the military and our country being able to protect itself. If they have their way they will make America just like the piss hole that this wimp is whining about. I have an answer for that...OVER MY DEAD BODY!!! I am far from alone...
     
  16. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    I agree 100,000% with you about how some Americans will fight for their rights. Our generation is strong now. I was talking about the NEXT generation to go into political office. You know, the Millenials...the overmedicated generation that had to have therapy when their hampsters and goldfish died, and were all awarded participation trophies and ribbons in school instead of earning merits...

    Ugh. I think it will be painful to see.

    Pass the eyeball pain fork...


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  17. TMT Tactical

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    When the voting liberals become unbearable, the the fighters will step forward. Just like many sheriffs are refusing to follow the RED Flag confiscation laws, you will see more and more honest citizens telling the government to stick it where the sun don't shine. During the civil war, both sides had men willing to fight. The future civil war will only have one side with men willing to fight and that side likes the color red.
     
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  18. TexDanm

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    I agree to some point. They are an untested generation. People our age have been at war for most of our life. WW2, Korea, Vietnam and now all over the Middle East with several small dust-ups in Panama and Grenada. The Millenials were never subject to the draft and could sit back and not have to participate.

    There was another generation like this. They rose up and defended the world in WW2. After WW1, the war to end all wars, people in America wanted PEACE. We should have gotten in sooner than we did but there was a huge isolationist movement resisting it. Nevel Chamberland wasn't the only person saying "Peace in our time!". Once called on and in many cases before they were called My Fathers generation stepped up. My Uncle was already in the Canadian airforce on December 7th.

    It would be harder for a man of the urban Millennials persuasion but they have the genes that their forefathers had. Personally, I think that we need the draft. defending our country should not be solely on the shoulders of the children of conservatives. If you refuse to register for the draft you shouldn't be allowed to vote on how to run a country that you won't defend.
     
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  19. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    The human genes that govern common sense and survival seem to be lacking in the next upcoming generation because many of them have been raised by helicoptering parenting, overprescribing doctors, the weirded-out school system, and narcissistic-inducing social media. They broke an entire generation and spawned the likes of Occasional Cortex, um... I mean Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who so many adore, (along with Democrats such as Harris and Warren who noticed AOC's rapid rise in popularity, and are actually emulating and copying AOC with their cringe-worthy kitchen fests, dancing on social media, and wild talk), Antifa, and out-of-mind Leftist/Socialist thinking. I could go on, but you get the idea.

    No generation in the history of America has been this warped.

    Nope. Not optimistic. At all. I believe that our generation will be the last free generation in America. And we are barely that, these days.


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  20. TexDanm

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    ROTFLMFAO I'm sorry but I remember how my Dad felt about my generation of damn long-haired hippies. He was sure that we were doomed too. You just never know until a blade is tested whether it is strong or weak. A lot of this, I think, is dependent on where you live. I know a bunch of kids that are hunting and fishing and rough as hell. LOL, you can make fun of them if you want to but Redneck kids where I live are not soft or shy.

    I suspect that this is true all over the place once you move out of the big urban areas. As bad as things are in Chicago people think that Illinois is a liberal bastion. I have friends in Southern Illinois and those kids and people are the kids of coal miners and they are not weak useless or liberal. I've known people from Michigan and if they are any example of what is there then Upper Lower Michigan and all of the Upper Peninsula is about the same as we are, TOUGH and independent.

    You are disheartened because with your isolation the only source you have of how things are going around the country is based on what the liberal media shares about the hell that THEY have created in their big city nests.
     
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  21. coffee

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    TexDanm, I agree with GrizzleetteAdam. We will probably be the last generation to see prosperity in our country. The liberals & socialist with the aid of the deep state will find a way and probably crookedly and fraud make it happen. We may fight civilly between each other in our country, BUT this will make us so vulnerable , that I fear this will be the time that the other powerful countries will take advantage of our split & division and hit us like a target, whether by EMP, or using the interior anti-American groups that are here lying in wait for the word to release evil like we have never seen before. Some of us need to fight back, and some of us need to hide, and some of us need to move.
     
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  22. lonewolf

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    not just the next generation that have lost any common sense, most lost it several generations ago. because of the internet and mobile phones any common sense disappeared a long time ago.
     
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  23. Hick Industries

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    My response to any person living in an unstable, violence prone, hell hole filled with crime is to leave. Leave anyway you can. Spend a couple hours figuring out how to move as much as you can with you, but leave asap.
     
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  24. Morgan101

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    Well this thread has certainly wandered from its origins. IMHO the things that are being said about the current generation have been said for the last two thousand years. We don't have to go back far. TexDanm said it. We were a bunch of long haired, dope smoking, free-love, barefoot hippies. When we weren't doing drugs we were listening to the worst music/noise that had ever been invented. How would the world ever survive. Now we are the only ones who have any sense? How did that happen? We still have the strongest military force the world has ever known. That military force has been all volunteer since what, 1973 -74? They can't all be bad. They have stood proud for a long time in the Middle East, as we did in Viet Nam fighting somebody else's war, and volunteering to do it.

    I would like to think that once some millennials start working a real job, paying taxes, not living in Mommy's basement they will wake up and smell the roses. We certainly did. Why do you think Democrats want to change the voting age to 16? Those are the only people that they can brainwash with their BS.

    Doraglier: If you are still with us, we are far from being a "rich bunch of lunatics". We are mostly blue collar, hard working people who have lived, and learned by the sweat of our brow. Some of us probably had it easier than others, but we have all EARNED our way. There is no privilege here. The only one who can fix your situation is you. Moving sounds easy when you aren't the one doing it. My wife wouldn't move any farther than you could get on one tank of gas. Never going to happen. I understand that, but you have to make your live better.

    I would suggest looking at the Gray Man concept. Blend in. Never stand out, and make yourself a target. Change your routine, or don't have a routine. Don't be predictable where people could follow or stalk you. Take different routes to work. Go at different times. Start saving money even a small amount that might bank roll a move. You would be pleasantly surprised how quickly it will add up.

    Baby Steps. One small thing at a time. When one is fixed move on to the next. You have to start, and you have to see it through. Have a goal you work toward. Is that finding a better life? Fixing the one you have? Is moving the answer? Where will you move? How much will that cost? Will you be able to find a job there? All of the answers are inside you.

    Good Luck. We do try to help.
     
  25. The Innkeeper

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    I smell trolls
     
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  26. TMT Tactical

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    Yeah, One and done. Maybe did not like be told to grow a pair. Went back to his safe space.
     
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    I will look for him under the bridge
     
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  28. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    I remember this guy and his other posts. He was young, inexperienced, and justifiably freaked out by the goings-on in his country and immediate area...and I guess the truth here just freaked him out even more. But he was no troll.


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  29. Radar

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    you don't realize how the things anyone writes can help someone else, someone it wasn't even intended for.
     
  30. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    That's the beauty of forums and the posts of helpful people. It's the kind of stuff that keeps me coming back for more...

    Hattip all around...y'all know who you are!

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  31. Meerkat

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    All nations fall sooner or later like all people die.
    Problem is we love our country and nation and just because its gone doesn't mean we don't miss it or won't still defend it verbally. Like a lost relative we cared for.
    The whole world is in turmoil . Hope you stay safe.
     
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  32. Meerkat

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    Sadly I agree with you Grizzy.
     
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  33. Old Geezer

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    New York mayor de Blasio is doing his part to dumb-down America:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...iminate-all-gifted-programs-in-new-york-city/

    There is the dumb-down and there is also the communist congressmenwomenLGBTandwhateverelse who are doing their best to disarm Heartland America. Me, I don't think that they will succeed as they did with the castration of urban white liberals. International collectivists did the same in Europe and other "progressive" countries around the world. Witness the disarmed cowering before the invading hordes in Europe. I want to barf.

    Weak slimy urbanites do not fit-in well here in Heartland America. They stick out like a sore thumb and they literally screech at town council meetings. Local folk know who they are and where they live. When it hits the fan, they'd better tuck tail and return to their cities -- even if those cities are on fire (literally). I can't speak for any other places, but around here, the flaky leftists drive Subarus and Volvos. Odd, kinda like some sort of cult -- I'm exaggerating, yet ... . And when they buy a "truck", they won't buy American brands. Seems their trucks never get dirty or have dents. A real truck for real work gets beaten up rather quickly. Pickups, I work'em 'til they drop.
     
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  34. Meerkat

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    This is a whole new world and our nation isn't anything like it use to be.
    There are no large numbers of heros to save us and even if the whole nation was willing to fight the odds would be against us.
    We now have the worlds armies involved. We never had that before.
    I knew it was over for us when I saw millions of foreigners in our streets flying their flags and demanding us support them.
    If we had a chance of survival hundreds of million's of Americans would have wiped the streets up with them and stuck their flags where the sun don't shine.
    When you no longer have a border and a citizenry willing to defend that border, you no longer have a nation, period.
     
  35. Miskondukt

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    Has anyone taken notice to the very casual, relaxed photo of him in his profile. Looks healthy and clean too, doesn't seem to be an ounce of worry marked in that face. Hell, he still has his device and ear phones.

    Tough life.
     
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  36. Richard Earley

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    To the one that started this furball...Most of the folks on this forum are well aged and have seen and done things you never have and hopefully never will...Me I am 73 I did not get this old by being stupid..Read the forums and learn be a sponge and let our advise and experiences be the water that you absorb...Then put it to good use...Good luck sonny you may need it...
     
  37. TexDanm

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    I went back and reread most of this topic and was struck by something. Many of us don't think that the future can be prosperous as it has been in the past. As I thought about that I began to try and figure out what exactly prosperity is. In the end, I decided that people see prosperity as advancement. Each generation prospers by having more than the one before.

    I set that aside for a moment and just looked at the plight of the American lower class and poor and the lives that they live in comparison to my Fathers generation. He felt pretty prosperous when he had a pair of shoes other than his church shoes. Now the poor wear designer shoes and feel underprivileged because they only have one or two pairs of these very expensive shoes.

    In my Fathers time, you made most of your own medicines because there were not a lot of alternatives when the nearest Doctor was a 10 or 15-mile ride to town. There were almost no vaccines and people just had to deal with the various illnesses now gone. Now even the poorest can access a pretty good preventative health care. I'm not stupid enough to say that they have access to good health care. I have seen what you get at the free health clinics and would rather use my veterinarian for a Doc.

    I won't go on and on. The poor and lower-income people can't even imagine living as people commonly did before WW2. In that statement, I think that I may have run upon the possible cause of so much of our concern about prosperity. In my father's lifetime, we went from horse and wagon to powered vehicles for ALL. We went from diseases killing people that are now mostly eight prevented or easily curable. We went from little cloth over wood airplanes to the moon and back. ETC>>>...

    You know, when I look back before his generation I see something different. His Father lived his entire life in a world that changed very little in major ways. There were improvements in things but not entirely new things taking the place of the familiar ones. His home was not much different from the home of his father or even his grandfather. They lived lives that could easily be understood by their forefathers.

    If you judge prosperity by the level of change then we are indeed in deep donkey dung!! The fact is that the rapid changes and the ever-growing accumulation of things can't be supported forever. My Parents had one TV, one car, and one Telephone. I have an embarrassment of all of thee things. I own more cars and trucks than I need simply because I can. At one time I had 7 telephone numbers in my name. (I provided phones and service for my entire family and my business.) I think that I am now down to three TVs. My kids though have me beat and have 5 TVs so they can watch the box everywhere, even on the porches.

    Does this mean that my GrandDaughter is going to have to have 6 or 7 TVs to feel prosperous? Will her house have to be bigger? How many and how new will her cars have to be to keep her from feeling like she is not prospering? Compared to any country and any time in the past even our poor are pretty dam prosperous. There is no reason for them to be without a roof over their head, clothes on their back or food in their belly. In most of the past, that described a person that was doing pretty good.

    I don't think that the problem is with the forthcoming generation so much as it is that my generation has raised them in a way that has given then a false definition of what prosperity actually is. the biggest downfall of their generation is easy credit. My daughter got a VISA credit card before she even had a job. they based her income on her student loans!!!

    Kids have been raised by GIVING them whatever they wanted. When was the last time you heard mention of a kid having chores? They grew up thinking that all you have to do to have anything that you want is to whip out the plastic card! It bothers me to see young people buying houses that are bigger than their parent's homes and driving more expensive cars. I KNOW how their parents did it. they saved and possibly owned several homes each a little nicer than the one before. Their cars are probably older because they are paid for. The kids HAVE a lot but own nothing except a huge debt.

    At some point, we are going to have to redefine success and prosperity. Resources and possible income can only support the acquisition and possession of so many things and then you start to run DRY. We are already past that point and the debt in this nation far exceeds any realistic chance that it will ever be paid. The banks and financial systems know this and don't care. Look at the interest rate that they are charging on the cards and then look at what they are paying on savings accounts. In Texas, they used to arrest people and put them in prison for charging that sort of loan shark interest rates.

    I am beginning to see some movement away from the more more more lifestyle. The Tiny House thing is a part of it as people begin to realize that our prosperous lifestyle is actually a form of slavery where we work our selves to death to possess things that we have little time to enjoy. A book that I read many years ago redefined wealth to me. wealth is not how much stuff you have. Wealth is how much money you have after you pay for your stuff. People in huge homes driving big new cars often are close to dead broke each month after their must pay bills are paid.

    I used to see this a lot in the more affluent areas when there would be a young couple living there. Big house new cars and then blow up furniture in the living room and plastic patio furniture in the dining room. They had to sell or pawn something to get whatever I was there to work on fixed.

    There is no easy way that this can be fixed. It is like healthy people on welfare. We need to give them a JOB and not a handout but all hell will break loose if you try to get them to work. People are not going to give up their things until they are TAKEN from them. It CAN happen I lived through it happening. We eventually are going to have another depression...not a recession where the government can bail us out but a true depression that will force a redefinition of prosperity back to a realistic level.

    While it is happening people will be pretty miserable. The truth is that poor people with little debt and smaller lifestyles are generally happier than the more affluent deeply in debt people. they envy the possession of the more affluent but then spend their time with those they care about instead of our at work chasing the rat.
     
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